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So Scott, impressions on your new 3DO and games?
Topic Started: Aug 7 2007, 01:55 PM (1,866 Views)
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Crystal Dynamics...Gex!

Yeah, its a good thing that it seems like 8 out of 10 of the best titles got ported over to either or both of the SS and PSX. I mean 3DO really only came out like what, one year before the others but it cost $700 which killed it.

I really haven't paid too much for 3dO titles, $10 or $15 complete at most.

I always wanted a copy of Return Fire, another game that people just rave about but have never seen it in the wild. Supposed to kick ass, sort of a action-strategy helicopter thing and the music is supposed to be really good.
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Indeed. They really rock as a development house.

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Yeah, its a good thing that it seems like 8 out of 10 of the best titles got ported over to either or both of the SS and PSX.  I mean 3DO really only came out like what, one year before the others but it cost $700 which killed it.

I think more than anything else it was the extremely insane pricing of the console that killed it. I mean, it was more than a fucking Neo Geo at one point!

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I always wanted a copy of Return Fire, another game that people just rave about but have never seen it in the wild.  Supposed to kick ass, sort of a action-strategy helicopter thing and the music is supposed to be really good.

I think that made it to the Saturn or PSX, I remember a buddy playing it. It had all this classical music playing the background as you drove/flew around.

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I think more than anything else it was the extremely insane pricing of the console that killed it. I mean, it was more than a fucking Neo Geo at one point!


Since the NG had been out a couple of years by then, that wouldn't suprise me. The price was stupid as hell plus that half the shit on the system is lame ass multimedia junk not games at all. Since it (I guess along with the Jag) were the first 3D capable machines to come along, I think they focused to much on primitive tech demoish polygon stuff.

Think about it, arcade games were still pretty damn huge, especially fighters like SF and MK. If they had focused on using that power to make the best arcade ports they could I bet they would have been more successful. I mean look at SSFIIT. Come to think it of it not a whole lot of Japanese publisher support on the 3DO didn't help either.
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I'm trying to think of any Japanese games on the 3DO, and the only one I *think* was done by a Japanese developer was the RPG, Zelda-like game. Can't ever remember the name of it though...

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I'm trying to think of any Japanese games on the 3DO, and the only one I *think* was done by a Japanese developer was the RPG, Zelda-like game. Can't ever remember the name of it though...


Well, some did publish for it. Panasonic was one of the partners in the company. I just don't think many of the games they did over there were translated in the States. I looked at the wiki list and they did a version of Policenauts for it in Japan.

You know, when I got my Saturn late in '96 or early '97 and I don't even remember any 3DO software even being on the shelves at that point. So I would think the machine only lasted like 2 years, man thats pretty bad.
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Yeah, quite honestly I find it a tie between this and the Jaguar for worst system ever. I'd like to throw in the Atari 2600, but people usually get real, real mad at me for hating that one. ;)

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3DO was basically only available in specialty electronics shops anyway. Back in '93 it really pulled off the impression of being a high dollar system. At least, I don't think anybody thought it was underpowered or anything. Like I said, in '94 I had an argument with my friend when I tried to explain to him how the 32X and the 3DO were fairly close in tech specs (3DO was still $400+ IIRC). Now that I'm playing these games at home though, I'm thinking that it doesn't stack up as two times as powerful as the Sega CD. I may end up doing an all new comparison section comparing the Sega CD, 32X, and 3DO libraries and hardware capabilities like I have with the major platforms. I don't think that the 3DO will come off as clearly superior in videos or screenshots.
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I doubt it will either. The 3DO's biggest asset was the processor, and the fact that it could handle 3D to a certain extent. With that said though, it kind of gets washed over because the Saturn and PSX that showed up soon after just kicked its ass in the 3D dept. Like I said, about the only time I really found the 3DO impressive was before the Saturn hit...and even then, it was usually the large sprites and insane color counts it was pumping out more than the actual games it was playing.

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I doubt it will either. The 3DO's biggest asset was the processor, and the fact that it could handle 3D to a certain extent. With that said though, it kind of gets washed over because the Saturn and PSX that showed up soon after just kicked its ass in the 3D dept. Like I said, about the only time I really found the 3DO impressive was before the Saturn hit...and even then, it was usually the large sprites and insane color counts it was pumping out more than the actual games it was playing.

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Right, and I think that it does actually display a lot more colors in games like Way of the Warrior and POed than a lot of Saturn stuff (short of Sega Rally and VF2). It's also not technically doing nearly as much as Saturn stuff though.

With that said though, the video output quality of the 3DO is really top notch. I can't really tell the difference between Composite and S-Video on the system, both are really bright and solid on my RPTV. In the polygon department though, the system just doesn't even touch the Saturn and PSX. I think this will be great for demonstration purposes, the 3DO will be visibly, demonstrably, inferior at 3D. The "Saturn wasn't 'good at' 3D crowd" can't produce any evidence to support their claims. This contrast will enhance the comparison pages quite a bit I think.
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Yeah, quite honestly I find it a tie between this and the Jaguar for worst system ever. I'd like to throw in the Atari 2600, but people usually get real, real mad at me for hating that one.


Ah man, I don't know...It was certainly a flop and doesn't have a whole lot of good games but its no Jaguar!

As far as the old school stuff goes, I have said it before, I really don't have any interest interest in anything prior to the NES. The graphics are just too primitive, I don't want to look at gigantic blocky pixels that are supposed to look like something and some bleep and bloop sound effects.

Its not like I'm being discriminatory, alot of early 3D really wants to make me puke too. Blocky polygons, pop up, polys dropping out...yuck, I really don't want too look at that when I don't have too. I respect it for what it is and its place in VG development but I don't have to play it.
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Yeah, the Jaguar has something short of 80 titles to the 3DO's 150. Compare that to the Dreamcast's 250 titles and the N64's 300. As far as failures go, the Jaguar only beats the 32X if you consider both a stand alone console (which the 32X obviously isn't).
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Return Fire was hella fun two-player. That, Way of the Warrior, Road Rash, and some Mystaria-like strategy game from Japan are about all I remember that was any good for that system.
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Compare that to the Dreamcast's 250 titles and the N64's 300.  As far as failures go, the Jaguar only beats the 32X if you consider both a stand alone console (which the 32X obviously isn't).

yeah but it had Tempest 2000 and Alien vs Predator :D
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I landed Star Control II and Crash N Burn aus Japan for $28 complete. If anybody's interested superb_articles_from_japan is an awesome e-bayer. He has responded to my e-mails both times within an hour, and even put in Star Control II to tell me whether or not they translated the game into Japanese (they dubbed the cutscenes but the menus are English).

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Right, and I think that it does actually display a lot more colors in games like Way of the Warrior and POed than a lot of Saturn stuff (short of Sega Rally and VF2).  It's also not technically doing nearly as much as Saturn stuff though. 

I think that's why it can do it(a lot like why the SNES can display more colors on certain special effect-laden games), it's just not doing quite as much. Still, though, with the higher color count and palette stuff like true transparency is possible. I wonder though, could the 3DO do real transparency in a 3D title?

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    With that said though, the video output quality of the 3DO is really top notch. I can't really tell the difference between Composite and S-Video on the system, both are really bright and solid on my RPTV.  In the polygon department though, the system just doesn't even touch the Saturn and PSX.  I think this will be great for demonstration purposes, the 3DO will be visibly, demonstrably, inferior at 3D.  The "Saturn wasn't 'good at' 3D crowd" can't produce any evidence to support their claims.  This contrast will enhance the comparison pages quite a bit I think.

It'll definitely be interested, and I am literally salivating at the thought of some 3DO gameplay videos, not to mention 3DO vs Saturn vs PSX comparisons!

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Ah man, I don't know...It was certainly a flop and doesn't have a whole lot of good games but its no Jaguar!

Heheheh, yeah, I may have been a bit harsh there. ;)

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As far as the old school stuff goes, I have said it before, I really don't have any interest interest in anything prior to the NES.  The graphics are just too primitive, I don't want to look at gigantic blocky pixels that are supposed to look like something and some bleep and bloop sound effects. 

Same here. The NES/SMS is the lowest I'll go...anything before that is just pure crap imo. I always get in trouble with Grimshade and Pleasure Kitty when I mention that as they are both hardcore Atari series/Intellivision fans. ;)

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Its not like I'm being discriminatory, alot of early 3D really wants to make me puke too.  Blocky polygons, pop up, polys dropping out...yuck, I really don't want too look at that when I don't have too.  I respect it for what it is and its place in VG development but I don't have to play it.

Agreed. It's getting progressively harder and harder to go back to a lot of these old Saturn and PSX games, before the consoles had any sort of 3D hardware support(aliasing, etc). It's just plain nasty sometimes.

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Yeah, the Jaguar has something short of 80 titles to the 3DO's 150. Compare that to the Dreamcast's 250 titles and the N64's 300. As far as failures go, the Jaguar only beats the 32X if you consider both a stand alone console (which the 32X obviously isn't).

Wow, the N64 only had 300 titles? I never realized that...that means the two or three I actually liked were a very large percentage of the library. ;)

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yeah but it had Tempest 2000 and Alien vs Predator :D

True, true. AvsP was actually done by the same guys who did the PC versions...makes you wish they'd of ported the Jaguar version to PC at some point. I guess there are Jaguar emulators out there though...

Might try to dig one of those up, I wouldn't mind seeing AvsP or that Bubsy game(have always had a place in my heart for any game that features a cat as the main character). ;)

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I landed Star Control II and Crash N Burn aus Japan for $28 complete. If anybody's interested superb_articles_from_japan is an awesome e-bayer. He has responded to my e-mails both times within an hour, and even put in Star Control II to tell me whether or not they translated the game into Japanese (they dubbed the cutscenes but the menus are English).

http://stores.ebay.com/Superb-Articles-From-Japan-SHOP

I expect videos!!!

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Agreed. It's getting progressively harder and harder to go back to a lot of these old Saturn and PSX games, before the consoles had any sort of 3D hardware support(aliasing, etc). It's just plain nasty sometimes.


I hate to say that I'm spoiled but its just like "Man, that really looks like ass." when I play one, even if the game play is good if it has bad flaws (pop up, poly drop) or no textures at all, I just can't do it anymore. Hopefully getting a next gen machine won't make me anymore of a graphics whore.
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