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| David J. | Jan 6 2008, 12:49 PM Post #1 |
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Ouch, I read about the PS2 and PS3 forum being locked, not really bothered, since I don't have a PS2 or PS3, and I can't really argue with why you locked it, because, hell I'd prolly do something similar.... but what about PSP talk, is that not allowed? I didn't see PSP mentioned. I don't want to start talking about it and then get banned. To be honest, I did buy one around Christmas time and I only bought it, because I can easily get online with it, and there's a lack of computers here that work good. Sucks I supported the devil. :/ |
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| Belpowerslave | Jan 6 2008, 10:30 PM Post #2 |
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Though I have no real argument against the PSP other than it being a sub-part portable(imo), it's still active and when you buy something for it you contribute to Sony's dirty tactics. With that said, I am sorry, but no PSP talk either. Like I said, it's still alive, and I don't want to have any part of supporting those motherfuckers in *anything* they do, not after what they pulled on Friday. About the ban thing, I need to mention that I'm not going to ban you(or anyone) right out or anything like that, I'd just kill the post and then quietly PM you not to do it again, nothing vicious. Again, any regular PSX talk *is* allowed. It's a dead system and, like I mentioned, nothing harmful can come of supporting it. Now, if you want to talk about how much Sony sucks, that's allowed...*anywhere* on the forum. ;) Bel |
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| LoneCrusader | Jan 10 2008, 05:19 PM Post #3 |
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It's your website, your forum, you do want you want, but threatening to ban people from talking about PS2/3 games to "cut off support for the evil machine" is crazy talk. If Sony is in fact run by Satan and that fact comes to light, I'll be the first one to take up arms and start my own militant resistance cell to combat the hellspawn and its armies. If Sony is run by leftover members of the Go'auld, we have David J in the Air Force now, fully prepared to combat the threat. I personally feel like I have seen enough Vampire and Zombie movies to handle any threat of Sony being run by legions of the undead. I'm sure other members of the forums can contribute in other ways. After meeting Grimshade and Groover, they look like two dudes that could handle themselves, in fact, they look like some bad dudes, the kind of dudes you want around when presidents are kidnapped by ninjas. We all bring our own special abilities to the forum to combat evil and injustice. Please don't ban us because some of us still think playing PS2 or PS3 games is fun and want a cool place to talk about it. HOWEVER I doubt Sony did anything that any other business in their position wouldn't have done. The problem isn't just Sony, it's the whole system. Microsoft, or any other supporter of the HD-DVD standard could have done the same thing to swing Warner to HD-DVD. It's how business is done sometimes. Regardless, I don't really think that this will have a overall negative impact on the consumer. Yes, in theory, competition can keep prices down. While the format war will soon be over, there will still be lots of competition in place to keep the prices down. Microsoft could potentially market a Blu-ray addon for the 360, thus keeping the console competitive. Movie companies still have to compete for limited dollars, they can't jack all the prices up to $30 and $40 for a Blu-Ray DVD movie and expect people to pay it. Early adopters always take it up the rear for being early adopters. Look at the iPhone adopters that screwed themselves out of $200. If I were in the market to upgrade my home theater setup, I would do what many have done and waited until there was a clear winner (whether or not there actually is a clear winner is still up for some debate, but even Bel admits at this point it's pretty much over by going on a rant and banning PS2/PS3 discussion). The prices of Blu-Ray players will come down once more manufacturers produce them and new generations evolve. Just have some patience. Sony has taken it up the ass for a long time, losing a lot of format wars, AAC, Minidisk, Betamax, they were bound to win one eventually. |
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| sheath | Jan 10 2008, 05:47 PM Post #4 |
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I had a discussion with a Gamestop employee just yesterday. It went roughly like this thread is headed. I asked him if he would care whether his favorite console manufacturer was responsible for literally countless bankruptcies, stolen IP and the current state of non-innovation in the industry. He said that as long as they keep having "great games" like Gran Turismo and Metal Gear Solid come out, none of that matters. Eiji Hayashi and countless other Sony fans on Usenet mirror this same argument. The games come out, so who cares who makes the console. By this way of thinking, if it came out that Satan himself ruled Sony we would all collectively applaud the guy for giving us so many "great games." I know for a fact that most people would actually argue that Satan is actually an alright guy at the very least, or even a hero. That is, as long as you called him something else, since the name Satan has been "branded" as synonymous with "evil," but that is beside the point. Or maybe it is directly on point, people are evil, they like what is evil, and nobody is going to change the world, which is evil. Sony is merely more visibly evil than any other massive multi-national corporation. |
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| Belpowerslave | Jan 10 2008, 05:52 PM Post #5 |
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Why do you start it off like this when you're just going to sit there and turn the stance around in half a sentence?
...again, this would be in *my own forum* right? You're acting as if I have threatened to chase members down and beat them with a stick if I catch them talking about PS2 or 3 software anywhere on the net. I'm simply saying I don't want to see it here...on my own forum. The banning thing was simply to drive it home...I mean, really, raise your hands here people, who believes I'll actually just ban you, for life, from the forum for it?
Well, I'll do this much, I'll apologize for the talk of "banning". Again, it was just to drive home that fact that I am quite serious about not wanting to see talk about Sony's current systems here in my own forum, I wouldn't really do it...though I still ask that if you're going to use the forum, you abide by one of the few rules I have set forth. I mean, really, other than no talk of the PS2, PS3 or PSP...what other rules have I set out? None.
There is no "win", there is "bought". They bought this victory. They started it by paying Fox and Disney to become Blu-Ray exclusive right before both formats were launched, and they have done it again with Warner Bros. The HD DVD player was cheaper, had more features and a completed spec...yet with their money, they have now made sure that an incomplete player, with an incomplete spec will indeed win. You talk of waiting a while until to buy something? You will be waiting years for Sony to finish the BD Profile spec, and better yet, every time they do you'll be buying a new player because the old one won't have the built in hardware to support it. Sounds good, huh? Guess how many times I've had to buy a new HD DVD player because a new disc came out with features that it just simply couldn't run? I'm sorry if you don't agree with my decision, some don't...you'll notice that some members simply haven't been seen since I made it, but I'm not apologizing for it. Now, it *is* possible that after some amount of time my anger will lessen, and I'll consider re-opening the PS2/PS3 section, but it's going to either be a long while, or just something miraculous is going to have to happen to allow me to get around what they've done. In the meantime, I find it hard to believe that anyone on the forum, be those who have PM'ed me, yourself, David J or anyone else can't seem to think we'll make it on just the 16+ remaining forum headers. I mean, come on man...;) Bel |
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| LoneCrusader | Jan 10 2008, 07:12 PM Post #6 |
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Don't you own a 360 or an Xbox? Microsoft has been accused of all the same shit plus more. Hell, Guitar Hero rips off a ton of bands, by putting nearly identical covers in the game and passing it off as their own. How many of you play and like that game?
You said it yourself Sony's just popular to hate right now. I don't necessarily agree with their business practices either but i'm not going to go around telling others they can't talk positively about anything remotely Sony related. That's hypocritical. I was just trying to make a joke and get some people to lighten up a little bit. |
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| sheath | Jan 10 2008, 07:42 PM Post #7 |
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Microsoft has, Microsoft Game Studios is another story. Most of the management from Sega of America moved over there when the original Xbox launched, and they have been fairly loyal to "traditional" gamers ever since. That is not to say that I trust them or that I prefer that MS be dominant. However, Sony has been actually dominant on the very real video game market for over ten years now, and they have done it with money rather than actually helping the game industry in any way. *If* MS were to knock them off their high horse using the same means I would actually congratulate them, but I would also say that like begets like. Nintendo made the Industry monopolistic, Sony proved better at the game, and if MS ended up taking over it would just be the end result of twenty years of selfish corporate antics. At least Sony wouldn't be on top anymore though.
Sony has just been on top for so long that they don't need to cover their tracks any more. That doesn't make them less worth hating. If a completely unrelated 3rd party makes a great game for the PS3, terrific. If they take money from Sony to make it exclusive they're part of the problem, plain and simple. That goes the same for MS exclusives. Megapublishers' games are also no different in my view. There is precious little left in this decrepit Industry worth loving. Hating seems to be the only way to go. |
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| Belpowerslave | Jan 10 2008, 07:58 PM Post #8 |
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Everyone is a hypocrite, *everyone*. If you're born in to this world, you're a hypocrite. At some point in every person's life they've done something hypocritcal, so don't give me that bullshit. Plus, and I'm trying to do this as politely as possible, but I *cannot* believe I am being lectured to about this from a guy whose game and video library consists of over 90% copies. Dude, you don't pay for *anything*, so of course it doesn't effect you when Sony pulls stunts like this. You can sit back there saying stuff like "I'll wait...", all the while downloading movies in HD off the net for free. I'm pissed because I put my money behind something I believed in, something that fought its way past Sony's constant studio bribing, something that leveled the playing field with Paramount's exclusivity only to watch Sony sit there and hand our HALF A BILLION FUCKING DOLLARS to abruptly end it. The next time something like this happens to you, and I don't mean the next time a Bittorrent site is shut down, you let me know how you feel...and how likely you'd be willing to hear anything about it on an online entity that you own.
I'd say you've missed by a little bit...doesn't mean your banned, doesn't mean we're not friends, but again, I'm not apologizing for what I've done. Bel |
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| benstylus | Jan 10 2008, 08:03 PM Post #9 |
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I'm not a fan of Guitar Hero, but I will say this: Getting a cover band to play is pretty standard practice... You still have to get the copyright holder to agree to let you use the song, and there's royalties involved regardless of how you do it. If it's the original artist performing the song, the royalties are usually extremely high because the record label wants to get paid AND they also have to pay the artist for each copy sold. If it's a cover band, the royalties are still substantial, but far less - the record label still gets royalties, the artist would get substantially less (if any), but the cover band's performance is usually treated as a "work-for-hire" meaning they retain no copyright to their performance of the song. So it's a one time fee to the cover bands versus the continuing royalties to the original artists. What do you mean "passing it off as their own?" Are you saying that Activision tries to convince people that it's the original artist or that they claim they (Activision or the cover band) wrote the songs? |
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| LoneCrusader | Jan 10 2008, 10:32 PM Post #10 |
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I am the first to admit that I'm a hypocrite. You get me confused with Wang a lot. The stuff I download is not HD most of it is compressed down to 480p or lower. It would look like shit on anything 720p or higher. I don't download movies, just TV shows. Even then, I usually just watch and then delete in the case of shows that are on the air/haven't been canceled, and I do that because it's easier than taping, allows me to watch things that are HD-like and have the commercials cut out already. I don't pirate PC games. I used to, but the last one I pirated was 5 years ago. The game library of copies I have is entirely of games that aren't produced anymore in the case of my Dreamcast (which I dont even have hooked up anymore), and most of the shit for my xbox is only in circulation used. Are the game creators suffering by my refusal to buy used copies of games? Just the gamestops, and other used vendors. I only pirate the old shit because i'm too lazy to go through 17 stores or get ripped off on ebay for it. You pirate too, Mr. MAME collection, if you were to add up all the games you have on MAME, i believe it would far outweigh your legit copies of games on all your systems put together. I'm not saying you should apologize for anything. I'm just surprised that you reacted the way you did and it doesn't make sense to me. There's still a lot of people that still have Laserdisc players and collect movies, HD-DVD stuck around and was a lot more popular than that, so it's not like the format has already been abandoned completely, if anything, hang on to it and it may go up in value in 10-20 years. It's not like your stuff was instantly made worthless. I'm not lecturing you, I am suggesting you chill out, let it go. You bought a couple of HD players that with creative trading on ebay wound up costing you almost nothing and maybe 20 or move HD-DVD movies most of which you got at part of package deals for free with said HD-DVD players. So its not like you wasted a shitload of money. I just don't see how you were tragically affected by this to warrant all this hate. As for the guitar hero comments, Mr. Stylus you are correct, I didn't think that through as a good example. |
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| Belpowerslave | Jan 11 2008, 01:57 AM Post #11 |
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Again, though, without spending anything, it's hard for you to take any of this seriously. I liken it to the person who has both formats: They are covered, they didn't loose shit. How could they feel anything?
You say that now, but what was going on when the DC and Xbox were alive? Were you buying titles then? Probably not many right?. Again, I'm not attacking you for it, I'm simply stating that when you get almost everything for free it's hard to see how others feel when they've put all sorts of money in to something only to watch it destroyed by a simple bribe.
You'd be right, but then we'd have to get in to abandonware and how we both feel on that. Again, I have no issues with what you're doing...to me, if a company can't be bothered to sell it, they have less than no right when people are "stealing it", but were MAME to be shut down tomorrow, neither you nor I would have any real feelings on it...because we paid nothing to get in to it in the first place. Such is not so with HD DVD.
Quite honestly, I think it's because you've never believed in anything, nor put your money behind anything only to watch it be completely fucked by some company walking by and pitching money out the window. I mean, really man, you never believed in the DC, you just sort of had an Xbox, sold it to Thai, then bought it back and then again a few more times. The only thing you've ever had was a PC, when has that ever been fucked? Think of it like when Lik-Sang got shut down by Sony. Did you have any real feelings on it? I'm guessing not, you probably never bought anything from them. For us that did, though, we were kind of pissed off.
I thank you for mentioning this point, and I have thought about it. Like every other choice I've made in terms of systems, it was fucked out of existence and will live only through the retro mediocrity of the site. Still not a fate I am happy to accept just yet, as I'm sure you can tell.
Shitload of money? SHITLOAD OF MONEY!? Christ, are you making Wang wages now to tell me that what I've spent isn't a shitload of money? My HD-A1, with 4 HD DVDs = $270 on ebay I own 54 more HD DVD discs on top of that, 4 of which were boxes sets equally $50 to $100+ You can do the math, but I can already tell you it's over a grand. $1,000+ is what I put in. $1,000+ just to watch Sony buy the victory... If there was no money involved, if Warner just simply said that they felt Blu-Ray was the way to go, I wouldn't be nearly as pissed off, I'd be upset, but it wouldn't be anything like this. Warner did stuff on HD DVD that *could only be done on HD DVD*, Warner has films that were *only available on HD DVD because of the stuff they wanted to do*, yet somehow, all of the sudden, they decide to go Blu-Ray. Sound right to you? Fuck no it doesn't, it's that FIVE.HUNDRED.MILLION.DOLLARS. that Sony paid them to make it happen. Sony got scared and did what Sony does when they're scared: Buys companies off.
Again, I wouldn't expect you to. Tell you what though, go out and buy a 360, buy all sorts of games for it, have fun with it, enjoy it. At the end of the year, after Sony has paid off Capcom, Namco and Rockstar, and that 360 is worth about $49.99 at GameStop...let me know how you feel... Bel |
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| LoneCrusader | Jan 11 2008, 01:04 PM Post #12 |
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I didn't own a modded xbox until about 2.5 years ago. Also, I didn't even own a Dreamcast when games were being produced for it. I bought one for $30 at a used video games store well after they had stopped producing the console or games.
I don't see a reason to spend a lot now, when I can spend much less a little later. None of this forces me to buy a PS3, or replace my movies. HD-DVD and Blu-ray aren't sufficient advances in technology to make me appreciate movies any better. VHS to DVD was a different story, and is why you dont see me complaining about how VCD and SVCD got screwed over. I guess the difference between us, I've never considered stuff like this to be something to invest in with money, emotion, whatever. I've been screwed over in PC hardware tons of times, picking hardware that was discontinued soon after I bought it plenty of times. I still have a bunch of AMD socket 754 stuff lying around that I thought was going to be the standard for a long time. They don't make new CPU's for that socket, my upgrade capabilities got cut off at the knees, I wind up having to spend more money later to get a new motherboard, CPU, memory, and reinstall windows. I used to hate it a lot like you do now, but I realized that it really isnt that much of a chore and I wind up with something better eventually. That's why I quit buying stuff when it first comes out, I wait and see what format/standard holds up, and then wait for that stuff to go down in price. VESA local bus got ditched for PCI, which got ditched for AGP, which is dying a slow death waiting to be ditched by PCI-E which will soon get ditched by something else, and that's just video cards. Not all of the "advances" in that chain were significant upgrades. Stuff like what Sony did has happened in the PC industry for years, Intel and Dell still throw their weight around screwing over AMD, and have been for years. There used to be at least 9 major manufactures of 3d Chipsets for video cards. I was a big 3dFX/Glide guy until Nvidia/DirectX came around and jacked them up. Now we're pretty much down to NVidia vs ATI, and we're all stuck with DirectX.
What is there to believe in? It's just stuff. There's no grand cause here, you're not leading some kind of revolution here, you bought a thing that plays movies and makes them look a little better than other things that do the same thing with movies in a different format. A competitor with a crappier product came along and used their position in the business to ensure that their product would become more of a standard to protect themselves and their crappier product. It's just business, and you're taking it like you personally were sodomized with a $500 million purple rubber dildo. |
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| Belpowerslave | Jan 11 2008, 02:40 PM Post #13 |
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...and just how much money did you put in to VCD or SVCD...I mean, really man.
It's business that directly affected me, that's why I take it so personally. Again, for the last time, I don't expect you to understand this. With that said though, something happened today....something unexpected, something I really, literally just could not believe. I am still in shock from it, as I type this. It actually bought a smile to my face, which is rare lately, so in order to pass that on I will re-open the PS2/PS3/PSP section of the forum. I will not participate in any discussion there, and the few times I pop in it'll probably only be to slam the motherfuckers. This is just for ya'll, were it up to me I'd of simply deleted the fucking forum, but enough of ya'll have emailed/private messaged me wanting it back, so there it is. Go crazy. Bel |
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| LoneCrusader | Jan 11 2008, 02:57 PM Post #14 |
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You're only a victim for as long as you choose to be. Regardless of your intent, I applaud you for re-opening the forums |
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