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Fuck Sony
Topic Started: Jul 4 2008, 03:02 PM (1,178 Views)
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It's been brewing for a long, long time...and I just can't take it anymore. I hate them more than anything I have ever encountered in this life, and I just can't warrant having a whole section of *my* forum dedicated to them. The PS2/3 forum is gone. If you want to talk about this Shitstation, do it in another forum, please.

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So how's that Sony HDTV treating you?
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Jul 4 2008, 06:13 PM
So how's that Sony HDTV treating you?

Unlike you, I didn't give Sony any money by buying it. It was sold at an outlet mall, in an outlet store. Sears charged me a whole $323 for it...

How much money have you given Sony to help topple the 360? Correction: How much money *are you still giving them*?

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Bel I'm in the anti- Sony camp with you all the way mostly do to their help in the demise of Sega as a hardware producer. To bad we happen to have basically the same hdtv though.
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  So how's that Sony HDTV treating you?


Damn, dude, you know in the other discussion thread Bel said he was angry AND unreasonable, why do you want to provoke the guy?

I've always thought that Sony products were overpriced for what you get in terms of computers, TVs, audio equipment, etc. Plus Bel got his Sony TV before Sony paid the big money to have HD-DVD killed, which is the biggest reason to hate them now.

I still don't think Blu-ray or HD-DVD was a big enough jump forward in technology to justify replacing my DVDs. But it won't be long before it's all crammed down our throats and DVD's won't be as readily available anymore. Frankly, I hope Blu-ray goes the way of Laserdisc, VCD's, and SVCD's, which all promised to take out VHS. I don't own any next gen consoles, but if I did, I'd get an Xbox 360, as most of the games released for it have been the only ones I've been interested in on any console, but for now I'm content to wait for all those games to be released on PC.

Sony and Microsoft don't play fair in big business, Microsoft's agreements with hardware vendors forcing them to sell Vista on all new PC's irritates me, but at least they're only killing their own OS (Windows XP), not taking out a format developed by a competitor. Microsoft did a lot of the same shit like what Sony did to HD-DVD 20 years ago with other providers of DOS, but at least we can say that was somewhat necessary to help standardize the PC industry in terms of software and hardware, and if Microsoft didn't do it, someone else would have. Sony's only goal with blu-ray was to dump a shittier product on the market to kill off a superior one so they wouldn't have wasted their development money and admitted defeat.
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Speaking of fucking Sony, KKC over in RGVS mentioned that a certain PS2 emulator has Sony all sorts of upset. I am assuming he means this one:

http://www.pcsx2.net/

Anyone try it yet? I am thinking of attempting this at some point this weekend...just have to look through the compatibility list to find something I want to play enough to go download, then try to get running in the emu...

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i hate sony, but i'd buy a PS3 before I buy a 360, just because the system is more reliable (of course pretty much any system but the NES is more reliable than the 360).

That being said, I'm not planning to buy either of them any time soon - likely not until they're releasing their NEXT next systems.

And if it ever does come down to it, I'm buying EVERYTHING used so Sony doesn't see a dime of it.
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i hate sony, but i'd buy a PS3 before I buy a 360, just because the system is more reliable (of course pretty much any system but the NES is more reliable than the 360).

I don't know about that man...I mean, as much as I hate Nintendo, I'd still suffer through a Wii before getting a PS3. I think the 360 is pretty safe right about now(hardware reliablity-wise), but I could be wrong.

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That being said, I'm not planning to buy either of them any time soon - likely not until they're releasing their NEXT next systems.

I'd love to get a 360, but I just don't have the money or the mental wellness to watch the web every day to see what Sony's next bullshit move is against it.

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And if it ever does come down to it, I'm buying EVERYTHING used so Sony doesn't see a dime of it.

I hear that. If this PS2 emulator works, I'll buy used games and just use the PC as my PS2, occasionally. Of course, once I get a new PC this one will be used as my Blu-Ray machine(non-stop BR rip downloading baby), my HD DVD player(going to ditch the slow-ass HD-A1 and get a 360 Add On to connect to the PC), my MAME box, my emulation box and just about everything else. When it comes down to it, more than a 360, I want a new PC(so I can move this one over to the HDTV)!

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Bel I'm in the anti- Sony camp with you all the way mostly do to their help in the demise of Sega as a hardware producer. To bad we happen to have basically the same hdtv though.

Hmmmm, I didn't realize you had a CRT HDTV as well. They're nice, aren't they? Nothing gets as close as CRT does when it comes to sharpness. That only thing that kills me is that it's just *way too* sharp for any of the older consoles, which is why I kept my 27 inch Panasonic SDTV.

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Damn, dude, you know in the other discussion thread Bel said he was angry AND unreasonable, why do you want to provoke the guy?

It's not his fault, I was just in a very bad mood when I happened to see the post. I've PM'ed him an apology, which I am hoping he'll accept. When I flip out, I really don't mean to attack anyone, I'm just sort of letting off steam. I need to find another outlet for this, because I hate pissing off people who take the time to stop by the forums. :)

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I've always thought that Sony products were overpriced for what you get in terms of computers, TVs, audio equipment, etc.  Plus Bel got his Sony TV before Sony paid the big money to have HD-DVD killed, which is the biggest reason to hate them now.

Sony's stuff is overpriced, but a lot of it is a quality product...they just want so fucking much for it. Like you mention though, I got that well before the whole HD DVD thing that drove me right over the edge.

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I still don't think Blu-ray or HD-DVD was a big enough jump forward in technology to justify replacing my DVDs.  But it won't be long before it's all crammed down our throats and DVD's won't be as readily available anymore.  Frankly, I hope Blu-ray goes the way of Laserdisc, VCD's, and SVCD's, which all promised to take out VHS.

I was talking to Gen about this the other day, he just recently got a 360 HD DVD Add On and is loving it. To me, my *biggest* upgrade, the one I've enjoyed the most was the jump from 2.0 stereo to 5.1 surround. I'm a real big sound guy, so the sound is more important than the picture to me. I will have to say, however, that the jump to HD DVD is a huge leap in terms of picture quality...but quite honestly, I can watch a film that has horrible video quality and still love the experience...

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I don't own any next gen consoles, but if I did, I'd get an Xbox 360, as most of the games released for it have been the only ones I've been interested in on any console, but for now I'm content to wait for all those games to be released on PC. 

Like I've said, I'd love to get a 360...I'm just still so bitter from the HD DVD thing, and scared that Sony will manage to do it again. I don't know, $350 seems like a lot more money nowadays than $300 did back when I got my original Xbox...and I just can't afford to go throwing it around haphazardly, not knowing if Sony is waiting in the wings to give Capcom a cool couple of millions to fuck the 360 with.

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Sony and Microsoft don't play fair in big business, Microsoft's agreements with hardware vendors forcing them to sell Vista on all new PC's irritates me, but at least they're only killing their own OS (Windows XP), not taking out a format developed by a competitor.

Oh, I agree, neither are what I'd consider "fair" businesses. For some reason though, and I've got to assume that it's just a deep-seated hatred for everything they did to Sega, I just can't make myself back Sony...at all. MS, even though I'm a former Mac user, I really have no problem with. Like you, I can't stand Vista...and I'll only upgrade once they take XP out of my cold, dead hands, but they've just done so many things right with the Xbox and 360, it just gets me.

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Microsoft did a lot of the same shit like what Sony did to HD-DVD 20 years ago with other providers of DOS, but at least we can say that was somewhat necessary to help standardize the PC industry in terms of software and hardware, and if Microsoft didn't do it, someone else would have.

As much of a hypocrite as this is going to make me sound like(and I am, no worries there), DOS *needed* to go. Imagine if, for some odd reason, the developers just kept working with DOS, imagine how bad things would be now. Ugh. I hate command line bullshit.

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Sony's only goal with blu-ray was to dump a shittier product on the market to kill off a superior one so they wouldn't have wasted their development money and admitted defeat.

Very nicely put.

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I didn't realize you had a CRT HDTV as well. They're nice, aren't they? Nothing gets as close as CRT does when it comes to sharpness. That only thing that kills me is that it's just *way too* sharp for any of the older consoles, which is why I kept my 27 inch Panasonic SDTV.
Bel I have the XBR version of your hdtv and I paid a bundle for it when it first came out. The good thing about it is that it weighs around 380 pounds so it would take more than one burglar to take it out of my house. I keep 2 sdtv's around the house hooked up to my older gaming systems and for use with light gun gaming. The sdtv's I have are a 40" Toshiba and a 34 inch Mitshubishi. I had a Saturn hooked up to the hdtv but like you said the picture quality was really bad on it like it was to detailed and very pixally. Don't get rid of your sdtv if you plan on breaking out the Stunners for some HOTD action.
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Well it is unfortunate that games like Yakuza 2 won't have a place to be discussed.

Good luck with the PS2 emulator. You may dislike Sony but you can't fault the games.
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Well it is unfortunate that games like Yakuza 2 won't have a place to be discussed.

You could always chat about it in "Anything'a'Gamin'...and more" if you'd like. I'm not opposed to the software chat, I'm just sick of seeing "Sony..." in the forums.

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Good luck with the PS2 emulator.

The compatibility isn't quite there just yet, but anything that has Sony up in arms is bound to have potential. I haven't heard about them getting this pissed off since Bleem...;)

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You may dislike Sony but you can't fault the games.

True. This is why, once I get my PC hooked up to my HDTV full time, I may very well amass quite a few PS2 titles.

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Bel I have the XBR version of your hdtv and I paid a bundle for it when it first came out. The good thing about it is that it weighs around 380 pounds so it would take more than one burglar to take it out of my house.

Oh, that's right, I forgot about that. Yeah, it's funny how heavy the thing is...mine's not quite 380, but it is around 300. Took *four* of us to get it out on my car and wheel it in to the apt. About broke Grimshade's arm...;)

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I keep 2 sdtv's around the house hooked up to my older gaming systems and for use with light gun gaming.

Bingo. I actually had to make an apology to my mom, because I had wanted to give her my SDTV once I got this new set, but after A) seeing how bad older systems look on this thing and B) the fact that *no* lightgun games work on it, I just couldn't give it up. The light gun shooter genre is one of my favorites...

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The sdtv's I have are a 40" Toshiba and a 34 inch Mitshubishi.

Nice! I wouldn't mind upgrading my 27" to a 32 or 34 at some point down the line.

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I had a Saturn hooked up to the hdtv but like you said the picture quality was really bad on it like it was to detailed and very pixally.

Oh God yes, wasn't is horrible? System after system, I just walked away horrified by how bad this ultra sharp display made the games look. Even after dropping the sharpness all the way to the bottom, it still looked bad.

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Don't get rid of your sdtv if you plan on breaking out the Stunners for some HOTD action.

Don't you worry about that. I loves me some light gun action!

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Well I think you've done the right thing. It should be indisputable that Sony is nothing but a negative influence on the entertainment industry and I see no reason to promote them in any way. Microsoft Game Studios has as of yet proven themselves to be hardcore friendly and to have enough integrity to admit when they've messed up (i.e. extended warranty). The addition of XBLA and XNA and their excellent Live service just make MGS's presence in the industry that much more positive.

If MGS changes positions to a more aggressive monopolistic view tomorrow, than so will the fact that they are beneficial for the industry. Sony has always been over that line, and will never change as Bel keeps saying. We can only hope somebody can defeat Sony utterly without becoming them or something altogether worse and different (i.e. a purely mass market company with no promotion of individual expression of art, talent etc.).
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Well it is good to talk about games whether the platform. I will talk about games I am enjoying or perhaps wonder what others think in the ANything forum if I can't find a board to fit it. Bel try to find ICO it is a great game and is becoming harder to find.
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Bel try to find ICO it is a great game and is becoming harder to find.

Crazy! That is the exact first game I wanted to try!

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Now that I'm over the (nonexistant) shock of the Sony forum's demise, I must say that it might've been for the best. Everyone just seems happier now that it's gone. Now all that's left is the "It's coming..." topic to die, and everything will be fine. ;)

And Bel, if you can, try ZOE and ZOE the 2nd Runner. I love them both... along with they're whiny, emo main protagonist (ZOE1), and incredibly horrible script (ZOE2). :D
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Now that I'm over the (nonexistant) shock of the Sony forum's demise, I must say that it might've been for the best. Everyone just seems happier now that it's gone.

I know for me, personally, I've been a lot happier since I ditched it(it's not actually dead, just hidden from everyone's view). It just soured my attitude every time I came here and saw the "Sony" name in *my* forum. Like I said, the entire internet seems to be on Sony's side, so I'm sure the PS2/3-owners here can find a suitable place to chat about that stuff.

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Now all that's left is the "It's coming..." topic to die, and everything will be fine. ;)

Well, now that I'm one of the people who will inevitably be fucked when Sony kills the 360, I'll probably not want to talk about it as much...so I can see it(the thread) dying off here in a few months.

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And Bel, if you can, try ZOE and ZOE the 2nd Runner. I love them both... along with they're whiny, emo main protagonist (ZOE1), and incredibly horrible script (ZOE2). :D

Yeah, there's definitely a lot of PS2 titles I'd love to try out. Ghost Rider is among them...I still get pissed off when I think about how they canceled the Xbox version of it at the last possible moment.

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Saw this at UK:R and figured it would fit this thread well ;-)

Game hardware sales for the month of October:

Wii: 803,000
360: 371,000
That Sony system: 190,000

In other words, the Sony system is still losing ground to the 360 (and not the other way around), by nearly a 2 to 1 ratio, and the Wii is outselling the Sony system by a margin of 4 to 1.

I wonder how they're going to try and spin this one up?

Maybe with software sales?

1. 790k - Fable 2 (360)
2. 487k - Wii Fit (Wii)
3. 375k - Fallout 3 (360)
4. 290k - Mario Kart (Wii)
5. 282k - Wii Play (Wii)
6. 270k - Saints Row 2 (360)
7. 231k - SOCOM (The Sony System)
8. 215k - LittleBigPlanet (The Sony System)
9. 202k - NBA 2K9 (360)
10. 193k - Dead Space (360)

Their most hyped game of the year (Little Big Planet) sells a whopping 215,000 units - being outsold by not one, not two, but THREE Xbox 360 games, as well as three Wii games (one of which is a year and a half old).

A round of applause for Sony and their system, everyone. They make Sega's Saturn and Dreamcast sales look good ;-)
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