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| Asshole Hackers; Can anyone help me protect a connection? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 4 2009, 02:42 PM (385 Views) | |
| Belpowerslave | Nov 4 2009, 02:42 PM Post #1 |
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Over at Pleasure Kitty's place, someone in her neighborhood keeps cracking in to her wireless connection and using it to do God-knows-what. I've tried and tried to keep them out, but nothing seems to work. This last time, it appears they(hackers) cloned a MAC address of a computer in their house and then started setting up all sorts of forwarding in the router(for bittorrent, most likely). This last time around they had their router set to not broadcast the SSID and they've got TKEP+whatever(or whatever it's called) security going on. Past that, I don't know what else to do. I've heard that MAC filtering works really well, but if these guys know how to clone a MAC address, will that even work? I am going to completely redo their wireless setup this weekend, new SSID, new passwords, everything...but it'll still just be a matter of time before these dickheads get back in(this is the third or fourth time they've done it). Can anyone help me figure out something that may be enough of a pain in the ass for them, that they'd just leave her alone...or maybe help me find a way to hide her connection from them, just something that will keep them off. Any thoughts/suggestions/input would be most appreciated. Bel |
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| sheath | Nov 4 2009, 03:41 PM Post #2 |
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MAC filtering will work if they didn't copy the MAC addresses from her network while they were in the router. If they have her MAC addresses they will probably still be able to log in but you'll know it because one of your computers will not connect. They're going in to an awful lot of trouble to do that. Have you tried 128bit encryption? |
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| benstylus | Nov 6 2009, 06:39 AM Post #3 |
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most of the bases have been covered... 1 - don't broadcast the SSID 2 - Always use a very odd name for your SSID (HouseOfPantsAndWaffles, GrimaceHasAPurplePenis, etc.). - Never use the default name for it (I think Linksys routers default to the SSID name "Linksys" which makes hackers able to find it very easily even if it's not broadcast). 3 - Use MAC filtering. 4 - Use 128-bit encryption where possible. You should also get the latest firmware for your wireless router - sometimes they get updated with new security functions. |
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| Belpowerslave | Nov 6 2009, 01:59 PM Post #4 |
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Yeah, I never let it broadcast that.
Yup, that's usually the first thing I change after the router's initial password. The problem is, if they've got some sort of "sniffing" program, they can still find it...and I'm quite sure these assholes do.
Now this I've never really attempted. Seems like *everytime* I try it, all I end up doing is locking myself out of the router on anything that uses the wireless signal. Will attempt it again this weekend...but if they can clone a MAC address, I can't see this helping. :(
Yeah, her router does all sorts of stuff...I can't quite remember what it's called, but I have it set to 128bit T-Kip+AES(or something like that) protection. It's a few levels above just WEP, apparently.
I've updated it a few times, but I'll check again this weekend and see if there's anything more available. I appreciate the input, I'll update ya'll this weekend after I set it all up. Bel
Agreed...that's what I'm saying, these guys not only know what they're doing(sniffing programs, password hacking, MAC cloning, etc), but they are quite serious about stealing the connection whenever they come across it. I can only dream of how many other connections in the neighborhood they are jacking. I just wish it was illegal...if it were, I'd break out something like Black Ice and see if I can track them down, and report them. PK and people in her house have had credit card numbers stolen, bank accounts emptied, all sorts of horrible shit...and I know it's gotta be them. Scares me, because *I* use that connection too, on the weekends.
Yeah(see my reply to Ben's thoughts). I appreciate the input! Bel Edited by Belpowerslave, Nov 6 2009, 01:59 PM.
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| sheath | Nov 6 2009, 02:07 PM Post #5 |
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I should have mentioned, if a router has been tampered with make certain to reset it to factory defaults and then update it to the latest firmware release before doing anything. This ought to undo any tampering they might have done in the router software. Then if you implement MAC filtering and any kind of log in security they probably won't bother with you again. |
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| Belpowerslave | Nov 6 2009, 02:13 PM Post #6 |
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Yeah, the first time I set everything up I went ahead and reset it...input all the changes and left it at that. They hacked in, so I shut it down. After that I went in, reset it, made changes and put it up again...they hacked in again. Thing is, I never tried to do MAC address filtering...so I will try it this weekend. I used to have logging turned on, so we could see exactly when they were getting it...but, of course, when they got in they just turned it off. Assholes. Bel |
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| sheath | Nov 6 2009, 02:15 PM Post #7 |
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If that is the case, I think your best bet is to get rid of that particular router. Consumer level routers really aren't that secure, and once somebody figures out how to hack them it's pretty much all over. Try the MAC filter thing, but if that doesn't work, sell it on Craigslist and buy a different brand router, that ought to confuse them. Also, make sure your friend isn't too friendly with the neighbors, that might be the real problem. |
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| Belpowerslave | Nov 6 2009, 02:20 PM Post #8 |
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They've got another one in the house, it's the exact same router I have over here at my place...but they don't have the AC adapter to it...I'm currently trying to talk them in to going and getting one at Radio Shack(or wherever) as it would make setting all this up *much* easier because, well, I've very well versed with mine. I'll update ya'll this weekend on the progress... Bel |
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| Belpowerslave | Nov 8 2009, 11:59 AM Post #9 |
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Ok, so I found out that the AC adapter for her other router will work with her Linksys router(which happens to be the exact same model I have at my place). Using it, I've set up to wireless network with a horribly long SSID(not broadcasted, of course), WEP 128bit encypted accepting only hex keys for access, MAC filtering and a 20 character password for router access. At this point, the only way I can see them getting in is to hack in to the router. Sadly, the Linksys GUI allows you to see *everything* once you're in: SSID, WEP passphrase(which is then converted to hex keys), MAC filtering table, etc. So, as long as they are blocked from getting in to the actual router, I think I may keep them at bay for a while. It's been a whole day and they haven't hacked in yet...so here's to hoping that it holds up. Will let ya'll know how it goes... Bel |
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| sheath | Nov 8 2009, 12:30 PM Post #10 |
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One other thing you can do is change the router's LAN side IP address so they won't even know what IP to try to hack in to. I think what you've done should work though. |
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| Belpowerslave | Nov 8 2009, 12:34 PM Post #11 |
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Oh yeah, I did that as well(forgot to mention it). Bel |
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