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| benstylus | Oct 24 2006, 09:29 AM Post #1 |
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http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=3901& Great - now we've got one fewer reliable source of imports... Thanks a bunch, Sony. |
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| Belpowerslave | Oct 24 2006, 10:46 AM Post #2 |
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Alright Sony, making friends no matter where you go!!! Bel |
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| sheath | Oct 24 2006, 12:35 PM Post #3 |
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Would this be a good point to mention that if Sony doesn't achieve 70% or greater of the market with the PS3 they go under? ;) |
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| JoshF | Oct 24 2006, 12:49 PM Post #4 |
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Isn't it ironic how corporations all of the sudden become protectionist when their capital is at stake? It's pretty obvious Sony is desperate. Maybe next time don't put a shitty product on the shelves and think you can manipulate us with fucking talking mexican hairballs. |
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| Belpowerslave | Oct 24 2006, 01:46 PM Post #5 |
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Good call. BTW, good to see you here. :) Bel |
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| JoshF | Oct 24 2006, 01:58 PM Post #6 |
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Kintaro's love child
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What can I say? I needed a Bel fix. |
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| Belpowerslave | Oct 24 2006, 01:59 PM Post #7 |
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Here, ye shall have it...;) Bel |
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| sheath | Oct 26 2006, 03:23 PM Post #8 |
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If this is what they look like while they're selling consoles at a profit, what will they look like with the PS3 as their bread and butter (net loss of $300 a console). http://www.gamespot.com/news/6160550.html?...estnews;title;1 PS3 delay, battery recall gut-punch electronics-maker's quarterly profits; game division 43.5 billion yen in the red. By Tor Thorsen, GameSpot Posted Oct 26, 2006 12:39 pm PT Two weeks after Sony revised its annual profit forecast, the company has reported its income for the quarter ending on September 30, 2006. And, as analysts predicted, the three-month period was not kind to the electronics giant. Sony's net quarterly profit plunged to just 1.7 billion yen ($14.36 million) for the fiscal second quarter from 28.5 billion yen ($240.8 million) a year earlier. However, overall revenue for the quarter rose 8 percent to 1.85 trillion yen ($15.6 billion) from 1.7 trillion yen ($14.4 billion) a year earlier. How could Sony's income rise and profits fall at the same time? One major factor was its recall of 9.6 million laptop batteries, which cost the company 51 billion yen ($429 million). Another was its game division, Sony Computer Entertainment, which reported a 43.5 billion yen ($367.5 million) operating loss for the quarter. The shortfall was blamed on declining international sales of the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation Portable during the quarter and sliding PS2 game revenue. During the quarter, the company produced 5.02 million PS2s (an increase of 0.01 million units over July-Sept. 2005) and 3.89 million PSPs (an increase of 0.14 million units over July-Sept. 2005). Sony also said its profit "deterioration was due to recording of charges associated with preparation of launch of the PlayStation 3 platform and the continued high research and development costs associated with the PS3." The next-gen console is set to launch in Japan and North America next month and in Europe in March 2007, but will be available in much lower quantities than Sony originally envisioned. Sony now predicts an 80 billion yen ($674 million) for the full fiscal year. That figure is 38 percent below the 130 billion yen ($1.1 billion) net profit it had forecast in July. It expects overall annual revenue to rise 10 percent to 8.23 trillion yen ($69.5 billion). |
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| Belpowerslave | Oct 29 2006, 08:41 PM Post #9 |
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Good Lord! Man, I always thought the tagline of "Betting the farm on Blu-Ray" or the multiple variations just about every non-gaming magazine is hitting Sony with was just something they were copying and pasting from each others, but shit, they *really are betting everything on Blu-Ray becoming the standard*. Fucking-a, that's a big gamble... Bel |
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| benstylus | Oct 29 2006, 09:26 PM Post #10 |
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i'd be happy to see them choke on it :) |
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| Belpowerslave | Oct 29 2006, 09:43 PM Post #11 |
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Honestly, I can't think of anyone who wouldn't.
;) I mean, it's amazing how much anti-Sony stuff is going about on various sites. Seems like everyone but the jerkoff, "professional" sites are hoping/waiting/praying this is the time they finally trip and fall. I don't know that I'd ever be able to stop laughing if it happens...sadly, I don't think it will. Japan sucks Sony's cock like there is no tomorrow, and the US is full of idiots with too much money. Bel |
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| benstylus | Oct 30 2006, 08:25 AM Post #12 |
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Even from people who don't use their video game systems, I've heard a lot of complaints about how Sony's quality in their electronics devices has just gone downhill. The walkman and discman were huge moneymakers for Sony, but they failed to capture the new music player market (thanks in large part to Apple's fantastic marketing of the iPod). I don't even see their TVs much around anymore - Samsung and Panasonic seem to have become the new standard for places like Best Buy or Circuit City. Their VAIO laptop is easily being outdone by Dell and HP (and it doesn't help their image any that they just had to recall millions of laptop batteries.) Even in Japan, Fujitsu is outpacing Sony in the laptop arena. Literally, the only piece of Sony electronics that I own is my 400 disc DVD player, and that's because the Pioneer model was $200 more and only holds 300 discs. I see Sony stuff at Target, but other than the video game stuff, the shelves are always full because it's usually around twice the price of any other brand. Profits fallin 94% still mean profits though - I won't be satisfied until they go through a 10 year red streak like a certain company we know of that no longer makes game consoles. |
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| sheath | Oct 30 2006, 12:17 PM Post #13 |
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Sadly, I think Sega makes a great precedent for what it would really take to get Sony on the ropes. Even Sega took a good ten years of bleeding to finally be forced by their investors to call it quits, and Sony will be no different. The fact that the timer hasn't even started, because Sony hasn't even been in the red for one year yet, tells me that Bel is probably right. They'll linger on like a bad fart for some time, but hopefully adequate resistance, in the form of other console makers, will always be available. |
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| sheath | Oct 30 2006, 12:35 PM Post #14 |
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But wait, it gets better! Scott http://www.gamespot.com/news/6160667.html?...estnews;title;0 Sony CEO tells press conference that the game division's fiscal-year losses will be double previous estimates. By Tor Thorsen, GameSpot Posted Oct 30, 2006 10:05 am PT Last week, Microsoft announced its financial results for the quarter ending September 30, 2006. As usual, its game division lost money--a lot of money. For the July-September quarter, the company's Entertainment and Devices division, which makes the Xbox 360, lost $96 million--an improvement over the $173 million the company lost during the same quarter in 2005. Today, one of Microsoft's rivals in the game arena announced that it too would take a loss on its own game division. Speaking at a press conference in Tokyo, Sony CEO Sir Howard Stringer announced that losses at Sony Computer Entertainment are expected to now total 200 billion yen--or around $1.71 billion dollars--for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2007. The figure is nearly twice the shortfall Sony originally projected. "Considering some of the additional costs of PlayStation 3, we have to generate some excitement and profits from elsewhere in the company to offset the performance of PlayStation 3," Stringer told the Reuters news service. One reason cited for the increased costs is Sony's decision to drop the price of the lower-end PS3 model in Japan. At last month's Tokyo Game Show, the company announced it would lower the price of the 20GB version of the next-gen console from 60,000 yen (about $515) to 49,980 yen (about $429). Despite the increased cost, Stringer expressed confidence that the PS3 will be a success. "The point really is that PlayStation 3 is already finished and has been tested in America and has been deemed a creative success," he said. "In the end that is what counts." The executive also expressed apparent befuddlement about some gamers' anger that the PS3 launch was pushed back to March 2007 in Europe. "I think the idea of worrying about a delay in PlayStation is slightly strange to me," said Stringer. "Every complex technology runs the risk of delays." |
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| Belpowerslave | Oct 30 2006, 03:04 PM Post #15 |
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I've always found their TVs to be quite good...but not as good as the price they are trying to demand. A lot of times, it seems like you are paying for the Sony brand more than anything else.
Got that right. Shit, I don't even think MS is going to be able to beat them with that Rune(or whatever it's called) iPod knockoff of theirs.
You know, now that I think about it, you're right: I really never seem to see Sony stuff in the HD isles of any given retailer anymore. Man, they were the leader...but now it looks like Samsung and good'ole Panasonic are whipping some ass(more power to'em!).
The VAIO line is just a regular PC/laptop, with a nicer case and the Sony brand on it. To me, they are the Apple of the PC hardware market(charging twice as much for pretty much the same thing).
I still have my PSX and then the Sony HDTV, but that's about it. It's not that I don't want/don't trust Sony products, I simply can't afford them. The only reason I got the TV was because it was at such a huge discount because it was a floor model(or return).
Yup. My buddy Thai puts it best whenever he sees some wild-ass price on a Sony product, and screams out "Goddamn they're proud of their shit aren't they?". ;)
Sega had it coming...ever since they just dropped the DC, they've deserved each and every bad thing that has ever come to them. I still get mad about it... Bel |
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| Belpowerslave | Oct 30 2006, 03:12 PM Post #16 |
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Good Lord, I just don't understand it. Alright, I'm (obviously)not a business man, so can someone please explain to me how MS/Sony/Nintendo can stay in business by loosing that much money per quarter, on their gaming systems? I mean, I know that MS has a shitload of cash, so this doesn't even phase them, but why do they keep making the 360 then? I mean, if you're loosing that much money per quarter, that means you're not making *any* money on the thing, right? Sony doesn't have the cash MS does, so the losses have got to hurt them even more, how can they stay in the business of making game systems?
This has go to be one of the dumbest moves I have ever seen a company make...ever. Ok, so we all know that the Japanese hate, HATE, *HATE* the 360, there's no way in fuck any Japanese kid would get caught buying one, and I'm sure the few who have one ordered it on the net or something, and keep it hidden in their closet anytime anyone comes over. So, why in the fuck would Sony drop the price of the PS3, which they *know* the Japanese will just devour(much like Sony's cock)? Are they *really* that scared that the HD DVD drive is going to make that big of an impact in Japan? I mean, that's the reason they dropped the price, they wanted the PS3 regular unit to be the exact price of the 360/HD DVD Drive combo MS is putting out in Nov(in Japan). I just don't get it, does Sony really believe that the HD DVD drive is, all of the sudden, supposed to make the Japanese just flip out and make them buy a 360? There's no fucking way. Eiji likes to talk about people missing out on stuff because they only look at the brand name of the console...well shit man, here an ENTIRE NATION that's doing it... Bel |
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| sheath | Oct 30 2006, 03:57 PM Post #17 |
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Well, it doesn't make sense for business, it only makes sense from an anti-competitive standpoint, a company that is bent on being the *only* company in the business. You know the history of this, it starts with Nintendo and their illegal 3rd party licensing agreements. Then Sega has to advertise themselves into the red to get the Genesis to a 50% market share in the US. Then Sony comes along and sells consoles at a loss and outmarkets Sega, now in the red for a couple of years and hurting from new console R&D. Now Microsoft is upping the stakes for Sony, making it EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE to make a "next gen" console complete with online service. Microsoft is floating on its massive 10+billion of pure profit each year to do this. Sony has been relying exclusively on its monopoly in the game industry to float its_other departments since about '98-'99. Nintendo has been profitable this entire time, thanks to its monopoly in the handheld Industry. See, all of these companies are doing the same crap that Sega was doing, but Sega lost its back-up, the Arcade Industry. If handhelds get replaced by some other medium, Nintendo is toast. If the OS and Office software business tanks, MS is toast. If the PS3 doesn't get over 70% of the market, Sony is toast. Just like the Arcade Industry made Sega's business model no longer viable from a business standpoint, any of these eventualities would stop the other big three from overspending and sitting on money pit consoles as well.
I dunno, I think Sony has always been incredibly stupid with its decisions. They have relied on their brand, and the Industry media backing them up at every move, and they have never actually had a superior product.
Eiji does it too. The idiot only owns a PS2. I mean, he constantly justifies only owning a PS2 and a PSP, and I think a Gamecube, and laughs at anybody still "bothering" with the Genesis, or Saturn, or hell even NES, TG16, PC-Engine, NEO GEO, anything other than something "alive" and dominant he just sees as a waste of time. He'd rather play the newest average PS2 title, than AAA titles from the past, and that is an offshoot of Brand loyalty. |
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| benstylus | Oct 30 2006, 05:28 PM Post #18 |
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That 10 year red streak ended in 2004 I believe... it lasted through part of the genesis, through all of the saturn and well after they had discontinued the Dreamcast. Now that they're pumping out piss-poor sonic sequels, they're making money (though not all that much) again. |
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| Belpowerslave | Oct 30 2006, 06:41 PM Post #19 |
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Oh yeah, no I understand that, my comment was just about them finally going under(after the DC). ;)
I guess whatever kills what was good about the company the most... Bel |
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| benstylus | Oct 30 2006, 07:07 PM Post #20 |
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pretty soon sega will start shaving consonants off their name and end up with just vowels. |
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