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Megacorps are bad for gaming; Sony, EA, Activision, MS, and their ilk
Topic Started: Oct 24 2006, 09:29 AM (6,751 Views)
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I'm loving the fact that their hype machine has failed so utterly. I just wish it had done so back in 2000 instead of now. The assumptions are the same, more crap shoved into a game console is automatically better, but now they look pathetic. It's all about sales, the same statements are colored differently by how the public accepted them. Terrific.
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Jan 9 2009, 09:11 AM
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/18528/Sony-Acusses-Microsoft-and-Nintendo-of-Peddling-AddOns/

Ah, isn't that precious? Bless their hearts...they're trying.

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I saw that too. I'm pretty sure they have a Wheel of Fortune thing going on with what they say now. They're not even trying now. This is pretty much they're version of crying about losing a soccer game because the kids on the other team are taller.
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Looks like Sony should have cut earnings forcasts a bit more.

Sony to suffer $1.1 billion loss - report

Sony is likely to announce an annual operating loss of around USD 1.1 billion, the company's first loss in 14 years, due to weak sales and the impact of a stronger yen.

The electronics giant had previously estimated a JPY 200 billion (USD 2.2 billion) profit but the global economic downturn dampening consumer spending on high priced products has hit Sony hard, according to Reuters which references "a person with knowledge of the matter".

This news follows earlier reports that the company was set to cut full-time staff by 8000 and 16,000 jobs before 2010 in a bid to reduce costs, however, if Sony does post a USD 1.1 billion loss, executives are expected to take even more drastic action.

"Sony could reduce the number of products it offers, and it may also have to consider selling off its financial unit," JPMorgan analyst Yoshiharu Izumi said.

"Even though external factors are the main reason (for the likely loss), the management team is partly the cause for the long delay in turning around its TV business," he added. "They may have to take responsibility for that since the company is cutting personnel now."
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Wow.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/hirai-we-continue-official-leadership-in-this-industry

Hirai: "We continue official leadership in this industry"

Sony Computer Entertainment boss Kaz Hirai has dismissed Microsoft and Nintendo as competitors because he sees PlayStation as the "official" industry leader, writes Eurogamer.net.

"This is not meant in terms of numbers, or who's got the biggest install base, or who's selling most in any particular week or month, but I'd like to think that we continue official leadership in this industry," Hirai told Official PlayStation Magazine.

"It's difficult to talk about Nintendo, because we don't look at their console as being a competitor. They're a different world, and we operate in our world - that's the kind of way I look at things.

"And with the Xbox - again, I can't come up with one word to fit. You need a word that describes something that lacks longevity," he added.

Brandishing Sony's commitment to a ten year plan, Hirai said he wants customers to feel confident their PlayStation console will not "fall by the wayside in five years" - a milestone Microsoft has yet to overcome, he pointed out.

"And," offered Hirai, "unless things go really bad, there's no way that at the end of a life cycle our competition is going have a higher install base."

Hirai also addressed the complex architecture of the PS3, which developers have openly struggled to get to grips with.

"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?" explained Hirai.

He picked God of War as an example of gameplay changing during the long life of the PS2, and said that sort of learning curve will be the same with PS3.

"So it's a kind of - I wouldn't say a double-edged sword - but it's hard to program for, and a lot of people see the negatives of it, but if you flip that around, it means the hardware has a lot more to offer," he said.

Wrapping things up, Hirai said the PlayStation 3 "won't radically change" over the next few years in the same way the New Xbox Experience revamped the competition.

He hopes PlayStation Home will help, by growing to a point where one type of consumer buys the PS3 solely for the virtual world, before discovering games for the system.

"We want to expand the demographics from just a videogaming audience to something that's a little bit more massive," Hirai concluded.
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Wow, that is one of the weakest arguments I've seen since the last time I was in AGVX and saw one of BligFuck's posts...

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Kaz, stop talking.
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Wow, that is one of the weakest arguments I've seen since the last time I was in AGVX and saw one of BligFuck's posts...

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"This is not meant in terms of numbers, or who's got the biggest install base, or who's selling most in any particular week or month, but I'd like to think that we continue official leadership in this industry," Hirai told Official PlayStation Magazine.


Sony has "Official Leadership"? Then I'm the "Official Video Game Historian," and officially speaking, Sega's Dreamcast trounced the PS2.

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"It's difficult to talk about Nintendo, because we don't look at their console as being a competitor. They're a different world, and we operate in our world - that's the kind of way I look at things.


Yes, Nintendo's world is called "Smashing Success," and Kaz's world is called "Eating Crow" - would have been "Humble Pie" but he ain't the least bit humble.

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"And with the Xbox - again, I can't come up with one word to fit. You need a word that describes something that lacks longevity," he added.


I can think of one word to fit it: Explosive ;-)

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"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?" explained Hirai.


I dunno, maybe once you master the hardware, you start experimenting with game mechanics? changing up how to play the games? That's what Nintendo did and look at their success.

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"And," offered Hirai, "unless things go really bad, there's no way that at the end of a life cycle our competition is going have a higher install base."


In that case, may I offer a hint? By your definition, Kaz, "things are going really bad."

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He picked God of War as an example of gameplay changing during the long life of the PS2, and said that sort of learning curve will be the same with PS3.


So they made a greek themed beatemup with quick time events and called it evolution? Also, wasn't he just complaining about longevity? Don't the God of War games take <10 hours to beat?

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"We want to expand the demographics from just a videogaming audience to something that's a little bit more massive," Hirai concluded.


Easiest way to do that is buy shares of Nintendo.

Yep, I'd say Kaz Hirai may just be worse than the iraqi information minister back when bush the sequel went to iraq...

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/ for some of his best quotes.
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Jan 21 2009, 05:31 AM
and officially speaking, Sega's Dreamcast trounced the PS2.
Huh? I don't see how. Do you mean in the PS2's first year or something?
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More like the first two years, if what you wanted was a revival of classic action gameplay in top tier 3D graphics. If what you wanted was sequels to popular Playstation franchises, which are not classic action games, then the PS2 was at least as good as the Dreamcast in numbers.

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AGVX - Alt.Games.Video.Xbox. A usenet group for the Xbox system.

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Blig Merk, one of the worst trolls usenet has ever seen. Constantly touting how wonderful the Sony systems are. Currently getting his ass handed to him due to poor PS3/PSP sales, comes up with stuff like "I don't see the Wii as competition" to try to justify his position(just as this Sony rep has).

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Sony has "Official Leadership"? Then I'm the "Official Video Game Historian," and officially speaking, Sega's Dreamcast trounced the PS2.
Screw that, because I've done a review for a game on the Genesis, I am the "Official Resource for all things Sega" and I say the Genesis/Sega CD/32X combo machine trounces all! ;)

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http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/18624/Microsoft-Replies-Back-to-Sonys-Kaz-Hirai/

MS's response:

"This sounds like an old hardware company that’s comfortable with its market position. That complacent attitude is out of touch with where the industry and consumer is today. This generation won’t be won over just hardware specs, but who can out-innovate when it comes to online and software. This is the kind of stuff that’s in our DNA, and frankly moves the console war onto our home court.

I’m confident we will outsell the PS3 throughout the entire generation by providing more innovation and building the best and broadest games library while growing our entertainment experiences on the leading online network. With a U.S. install base lead now of more than 7 million units (according to NPD), I can’t imagine any scenario where the PS3 can catch up with us. In fact, even if you doubled the current PS3 sales and Xbox 360 remained flat, they couldn’t close the gap until 2014."

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UBERNERD WAR!!!

They also need to stop talking. I can't believe they responded to Kaz's bullshit with some of their own shit talking.
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Though I'd agree the first paragraph has a bit of a snap to it, I'd have to say that the second one is just stating facts. Overall I think it's much better than "We don't see the Wii or 360 as competition, which makes us no. 1".

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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/analyst-slashes-ps3-sales-expectations-following-disappointing-2008

"Following another year in which PS3 unit sales lagged behind the Wii and Xbox 360, it is now clear that Sony has failed to establish the PS3 as the console of choice among hardcore gamers this cycle," wrote Doug Creutz in a note to investors.
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Oh man, it's just so funny. I mean, it's like we're living in the PSX/PS2 days...but this time Sony is on the opposite side of the media attacks. I really, honestly cannot believe they let this happen. I figured with their wallet, there wasn't anyone they couldn't bribe to shut up...but I'm guessing that foolish move to help the BDA pay Warner is what drained them so badly...and then this shithouse enconomy, all coupled with crap sales of the PS3. You know it's bad when even Japanese analysts are predicting the same thing for the PS3...

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I really, honestly cannot believe they let this happen.
Really?
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Sony Bleeding Red Ink, Game Division Sales Down a Third
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/18711/Sony-Bleeding-Red-Ink-Game-Division-Sales-Down-a-Third/

As Splinter would say, "Death comes for us all, but something much worse comes for you. For when you die, it will be without honor."

I cannot even describe how proud I am of the dumb-ass masses right now. The sheer willpower it's taken them to just totally shun the Shitstation 3 and Shitstation Portable is just incredible. Blu-ray was a huge mistake for Sony, it *will* be main factor in their downfall.

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I swear, right now, to lay the smack down on anybody who dares to feel sorry for Sony. If anybody has made their own bed, it is them. May they rest on their bed of rusty nails and lies.

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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/ps3-in-24-5-percent-year-on-year-decline

Sony's PlayStation 3 has seen a year-on-year decline in sales of 24.5 per cent in January, according to data released by NPD.

Last year, the console sold 269,000 units, compared to last month's results of 203,200 units.

During the same period, Microsoft saw sales grow 25.5 per cent, from 230,000 units in January 2008 to 309,000 units in January 2009, while the Nintendo Wii saw sales rocket 59.5 per cent, from 274,000 units to 676,000 units.

Sony's handheld PlayStation Portable experienced a 25 per cent decline, from 230,000 units in January 2008 to last month's total of 172,300. The company's mainstay console, the PlayStation 2, suffered a 62 per cent decline, with sales of 101,200 units, compared to 264,000 units for the same period the previous year.

When compared with results from January 2007, the PS3 has seen a 16.6 per cent decline in sales from 243,554 units, while the Xbox 360 has grown 5 per cent from 294,000 and the Wii has seen growth hit 34 per cent from 436,000 units.
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