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2vs2 torunament (WoC+DE 3000pts); 1500pts list for a 2vs2 tournament.
Topic Started: Dec 17 2013, 07:35 PM (233 Views)
adicto
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Hi everyone! I'll be playing my first doubles tournament on saturday 28, so I need some advices regarding my list. My ally will be a seasoned DE player who wants to try out his new dark elves in a competitive enviroment.

House rules:
- 1500pts per player, 3000 per side.
- Special characters are not allowed.
- The same magic item cannot be present in both armies of the same side.
- Any unit reduced to 50% of its starting size gives away 50% of its total point cost.
- BSBs always give away +100 points when killed.
- There will be a single scenario: Pitched Battle.
- Buildings will be treated as impassable terrain.


My list:

GENERAL: 360pts
- Daemon Prince (MoN, D.Flight, C.Armour, S.Skin, S.Feeder, TOT.Shard, C.Shield, D.Gem)

CORE: 380pts
- 5 warhounds (vanguard)
- 5 horsemen (MoK, Flails)
- 1 chariot (MoN)
- 1 chariot (MoN)

SPECIAL: 420pts
- 1 gorebeast (MoN)
- 1 gorebeast (MoN)
- 1 gorebeast (MoN)

RARE: 337pts
- 4 skullcrushers (E.Weapons, Musician+Standard, Gleaming Penant)


Nurgle chariots, skullcrushers, a fat prince and some chaff. What else? The points are evenly spread amongst a great number of powerful models, so the list should be hard to counter.

My ally will obviously bring the cheap casters and the efficient infantry to complement my panzer list: 5 warlocks + a lvl4, another unit of 5 warlocks and 40 witches + death hag on cauldron. We haven't decided the lore of magic yet... probably Life (crushers with regeneration, R7 witches, chariots recovering wounds, and... DWELLERS BELOW!! ... such an overpowered lore).

However, there is a thing that worries us: warmachine lists. Empire + Dwarves will murder us with1 tank, 6 cannons, 4 organ guns/hellblasters, and gigantic hordes of cheap infantry, specially if they move first. There is no real way for us to deal with all that...

Suggestions?
Edited by adicto, Dec 17 2013, 11:15 PM.
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Darth Urbrambus
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Hi Adicto

Maybe you could let fall 2 core chariots for another 2 units of Horsemen + Hounds?

Combined with the 2 x 5 warlocks that should take care of most artillery...

Plus I think 5 chariots might be overkill ^^
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adicto
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Darth Urbrambus
Dec 17 2013, 10:24 PM
Hi Adicto

Maybe you could let fall 2 core chariots for another 2 units of Horsemen + Hounds?

Combined with the 2 x 5 warlocks that should take care of most artillery...

Plus I think 5 chariots might be overkill ^^
Thats a good suggestion, but I'm afraid that such artillery lists usually have the proper amount of standard shooting to deal with fast cavalry. Its worth a try anyway. Thank you!
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adicto
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I just noticed that any alliance that includes dark elves is considered a fragile alliance... It means that at the start of every turn, my friend and I will be forced to roll a single dice, and at any roll of 1-3 the alliance goes down 1 level, starting on trusted allies. If we reach desperate allies level (which is pretty easy) we will be forced to equally split the power dice, and I have no mages. Additionally, my units won't be considered friendly units for the purpose of casting spells, so my mate will not be able to cast augments on me.

OMG...
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Khornefed
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adicto
Dec 18 2013, 07:21 PM
OMG...
And whoda thunk that a WoC/DE alliance might not have a downside?

In doubles tourney's, I generally find that both players should bring a list that they would not mind running solo at the appropriate point level. So for you, I recommend a general, BSB, and Sorc.

Consider Scyla for general and a level 3 for Sorc. BSB to suit. Maybe Khorne on a DeMount? Works with crushers very nicely.
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MasteroDisaster
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Your comment on S.Crushers with Regen might not work. If memory serves the Regen spell from the Lore of Life only works on the Caster's Unit. Of course you can put the Caster with the Crushers but as DE don't have any Monstrous Cav. no LoS will be available for cannon snipes and the likes.
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adicto
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We spoke to the tournament organizers and they told us that they won't be using the Fragile Alliance rule, because "it automatically punishes Skaven & DE players for playing their armies". Thats good news for us.

Our final lists are:

-= WoC =-
- Daemon Prince (MoN, D.Flight, C.Armour, S.Skin, S.Feeder, TOT.Shard, C.Shield, D.Gem)

- Exalted Hero (BSB, MoT, Disc, Third Eye, T.of Preservation, E.Shield)

- 5 Warhounds (vanguard)
- 5 Marauder Horsemen (MoK, Flails)
- 1 Chaos Chariot (MoN)
- 1 Chaos Chariot (MoN)

- 1 Gorebeast Chariot (MoN)
- 1 Gorebeast Chariot (MoN)

- 3 Skullcrushers of Khorne (E.Weapons, Musician)

-= DE =-
- Supreme Sorceress (D.Steed, B.Amulet, D.Scroll)

- Death Hag (Cauldron of Blood, Cry of War, Ogre Blade)

- 28 Witch Elves (F.Command, Razor Standard)

- 1 Reaper Bolt Thrower
- 1 Reaper Bolt Thrower
- 5 Shades
- 5 Shades

- 5 Doomfire Warlocks
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Vantraxx
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No fragile alliance! That is great news. How did it all pan out? That army looks real mean, hope you smashed face.
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adicto
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Vantraxx
Dec 31 2013, 10:31 AM
No fragile alliance! That is great news. How did it all pan out? That army looks real mean, hope you smashed face.
We won the tournament even though we lost the last game 9-11 (HE+Dwarfs).

Our first game was against VC+Skaven. They were fairly new to fantasy, so it was an easy 20-0 victory for us even with that "no flying" banner around.

The second game was against OK+Orks. Shades were key here, as they released 6 fanatics in turn 1. The ork player failed some charges with his cheap chariots and wagons, so that also made our life much easier for the rest of the battle. Ironblasters and leadbelchers were the main threat, but my discohero made short work of them. Another 20-0 victory for us.

The last game was much harder, as we faced 2 bolt throwers, 1 stone thrower, 1 cannon, 2 organ guns, a longbeard horde, a phoenix guard horde and some chaff units. They moved first, so we lost the daemon prince and most of our fast cav before we even got to move. Some warmachines missfired in the second turn, but we still lost 2 chariots and some warlocks. By the turn 3 it looked like a 0-20 defeat, but things started to go in our favor when a Dwellers Below cast with IF obliterated the dwarven horde and my BSB killed an organ gun, overrunning into the stone thrower. In the end we managed to even things up a bit and a sad 9-11 was enough to keep our first place.

Brief summary:
- Doomfire warlocks are insane. Probably the most undercosted models of warhammer fantasy right after khorne cannons.
- Dwellers Bellow is inmensely overpowered. Must be deleted from this game.
- Witches + cauldron is a meat grinder.
- A bsb on disc is much more useful than a bsb on daemonic mount.
- Daemon princes are pretty underwhelming in events like this, where they face twice as many warmachines as they would usually face and the enemy has more than just a single deathstar.
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Vantraxx
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Thx for the update, the unholy alliance of high elves and dwarfs sounds real nasty
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