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| A little challenge for the tactical-minded :); WoC vs VC in campaign. Not everything available. | |
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| Benaiah | Jul 1 2014, 04:36 AM Post #16 |
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I don't think 2 hellcannons is an unreliable way to take care of a terrorgheist. Even if you don't outright kill it, you can bring its wounds down and make it MUCH less effective. It can't effectively kill hellcannons with its shreik if you bring it down to 1-2 wounds. I mean it 'can' hurt them but it won't be outright killing them like it could if it still had 6 wounds. |
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| Apex | Jul 1 2014, 05:05 AM Post #17 |
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I played against VC recently and he ran a blender lord in a bus of knights. Shoved my nurgle warriors with festus in and festus believe it or not shoved his potion down the vamp and killed it! Luck yes but then the warriors killed the knights to the last man. Now if the vamp hadn't died then the warriors still could have done some damage and then i would send in The Daemon Prince or a tzeentch bus of knights or just another block of warriors while the DP and Hortense clean up. A metal wizard could work wanders with searing doom!
Edited by Apex, Jul 1 2014, 05:06 AM.
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| Apex | Jul 1 2014, 05:09 AM Post #18 |
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TBH i would unlock some dragon ogres and run them in with some knights after weakening them with spells. |
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| Berghofer | Jul 1 2014, 05:21 AM Post #19 |
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@Benaiah: I have thought of that, But Their lore attribute is like lore of life. They heal a wound on anything when they succesfully cast a spell, so I'm very nerveous that not kiling it outright is (almost) the same as wasting the effort. (if damaged, he might just fly it away and let it heal over a few turns. That would ofcause by me some screamless turns, so it would still be pretty good I guess..) @Apex: Yeah, It waould be pretty good against the knights, if I can rely on getting the spell off. But I can only field lvl 2's vs his lvl 4, so I am not sure that I should expect to get the most important spells off. But 6 dicing it and hoping to stay clear of 2-4 and 10-12 could work I guess. Just risky, as there is 2/6 chance that one of those will be the result. Drogres and knights against them? Hmm. They are easier combat res for his Vampire lord (champ could take the challenge round 1), but they would deal quite a lot of damage though.. Maybe drogres with a Jugger exhalted to soak the challenge on their own. KB from the undead knights would work against that.. still the vamp lord doing tons of wounds on first turn though.. Hmm. |
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| Apex | Jul 1 2014, 05:27 AM Post #20 |
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Just a thought because they have high armour. You could even try Dragon Ogres and a Hortense because then he can soak the challenge and survive while the DO kill some knights. You could also use shadow and de-buff the knights so the DO are better? Also try and only engage the unit if you get a flank so try and bait? |
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| Berghofer | Jul 1 2014, 02:21 PM Post #21 |
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As said, I will have a lvl 2 against a lvl 4, so I can't count on getting the important spells through. No matter what I do, If he has a unit champ, then his Blender lord will be free to blend the first turn no matter what, so I can't really get out of that.. What you say about outmanouvreing him is probably the only thing I can really try to rely on in this scenario.. I will have to count on that strategy, and if I can get them debuffed as well, then it is all the better :) |
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| Dirty Mac | Jul 1 2014, 09:21 PM Post #22 |
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I just fought a Blender lord Black Knight Bus, I lost bad. 20 khorne Warriors gone in a single round. |
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| Benaiah | Jul 2 2014, 04:23 AM Post #23 |
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The black knights killed how many? The blender lord caps out at generally being able to kill 9 or so? |
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| Dirty Mac | Jul 2 2014, 07:05 AM Post #24 |
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They had re-roll to hit, re-roll to wound, and His BSB was also in the unit. We played Dawn attack, and I hadn't much choice in where my units went. I rolled bad the whole game. I rolled double 1 for winds, and then rolled 3 ones for my spell. I had channeled 1. and I failed to cast a single spell the whole game. I failed about 5 charges, His TG killed my DP in a single round. |
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| A'zrael | Jul 2 2014, 08:05 AM Post #25 |
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You did get unlucky on the DP but those other spells are fairly easy to get off. A BK Bus is very dangerous but also a huge point sink. Just waylay the actual Knights and not the vamps. |
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| Dirty Mac | Jul 2 2014, 09:14 AM Post #26 |
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Yeah he had 1200pts in that unit, I don't know what you mean by waylay the knights, and not the vamps as they were all in the one unit. he also had that item where he loses a dice but gets to cast a different spell automatically. i just don't have the dice to stop those spells. it's a seriously hard unit, and he just keeps his TG in the back waiting for my DP to get close enough to scream him to death. I think I will take lore of metal next time and try to searing doom him off the board. I try to play the waiting game with him, cause he has no real shooting, but failing to cast spells is a big problem. I kept trying to fireball his TG , but you know how it goes sometimes. This game is played under swedish comp, i ran 2 units of knights with ensorc weps for ethereals. both of which fail their charges, along with 2 chariots which also failed their charges and the DP which also failed his charge and my khorne warriors which also failed their overrun after wiping out dogs. Terrible game, and he will always run the Bus like that, Vamp lord, BSB, and 13 black knights. with a TG in support. Edited by Dirty Mac, Jul 2 2014, 09:28 AM.
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| A'zrael | Jul 2 2014, 09:22 AM Post #27 |
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That's...not a thing. If he told you it was he lied I'm almost positive lol. He might have had a bound spell. What I meant by hitting the Knights was just that, target the Knights. You'll kill them far easier than the Vamps and the vamps will then die to crumble. I would probably play VC if it wasn't for how that rule works. It should be like Daemonic Instability but meh. |
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| Dirty Mac | Jul 2 2014, 09:35 AM Post #28 |
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yeah he gets to sacrifice d3 power dice, and he get to roll for a different spell, that is automatically cast at the minimum value. i don't think he lied about it, This is only his 4th game with VC, so he might be mistaken about the items rules, he must have read it wrong. would love clarification on this though. Edit: The item is called "The Cursed Book" Any vamps players have the rule book on hand? Edited by Dirty Mac, Jul 2 2014, 09:41 AM.
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| Jofarin | Jul 2 2014, 12:21 PM Post #29 |
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If he rolled on the given table for spells (melkoths miasma, withering, enfeebling foe, soulblight, doom n darkness, curse of the midnight wind), this is totally correct. |
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| Dirty Mac | Jul 2 2014, 03:34 PM Post #30 |
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Yeah, that's what he did. I just have to re-organize my list a bit. It's beter knowing he is going to bring that set up to every game, I can plan for it now. |
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