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Breath weapon magical from DP?
Topic Started: Jul 14 2014, 08:56 AM (826 Views)
kris_kapsner
Clanlord
I'm just thinking my way through the hoard of white lions with the Banner of the World Dragon.

The DP has Daemonic Attacks, which states that all special, ranged or stomp attacks are magical. I assume this applies to the Flaming Breath power we can give to our DP.

Just wanted to double check before a tournament where I expect to face that unit.

Thanks.
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R3do
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Page 67, Last sentence from Breath Weapon Shooting Attack

"The Strength and any special effects of the creature's Breath Weapon will be covered in its rules."

Also Rulebook FAQs says this:

"Q: Do Breath Weapon hits benefit from any other special rules,
equipment or magic items of the model that inflicts the hits? (p67)
A: No."

So no, it isn't magical as it rules doesn't say so.
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Dirty Mac
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It is classed as a special attack, and when the DP uses it it becomes Magical.
When a lord or hero uses it, it is not.

This is a case where the Army book trumps the rule book.
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R3do
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Well this is again another wormhole to be honest. Army book doesnt overwrite Rulebook nor other way around.

Edit:

As I pointed out. FAQs says that Breath Weapon doesn't benefit from model's special rules, so It shouldn't benefit from Daemonic Attacks.
Edited by R3do, Jul 14 2014, 06:01 PM.
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Colobos
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There is no debate, it does not count as magical.
Edited by Colobos, Jul 14 2014, 10:03 PM.
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Vantraxx
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I don't count it as magical cause of the faq. but i don't attend tournaments or play in store so it would be interesting to find out how others play this and in particular were there any tournaments that ruled either way?
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Colobos
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Vantraxx
Jul 14 2014, 11:17 PM
I don't count it as magical cause of the faq. but i don't attend tournaments or play in store so it would be interesting to find out how others play this and in particular were there any tournaments that ruled either way?
I got to lots of tournament, but that's somewhat irrelevant given my previous post :)
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kris_kapsner
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I'd rather it NOT be magical. And, I haven't had this situation pop up before in a tournament game. But, the wording in the army book makes me question which way it should go.
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A'zrael
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Makes you wonder if the AP from DoS would count for it. That'd be awesome.
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Devil Slaine
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While I agree that the FAQ prohibits it, it looks like the army book allows it and the rule book doesn't disallow it.
And on page 11 of the rulebook under Basic Versus Advanced it states

- On rare occasions, a conflict will arise between a rule in the rulebook, and one printed in a Warhammer Armies book. Where this occurs, the rule printed in the Warhammer Armies book always takes precedence.-

My point being, that if the FAQ was specifically worded to reflect the Daemonic Attacks special rule, does anyone think that GW would have a different answer?
Just a thought, as fluff wise it seems reasonable to me that Hellfire coming from a Daemon Prince would burn anything.

Any thoughts?
Edited by Devil Slaine, Jul 15 2014, 08:33 AM.
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A'zrael
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Fluffwise a Slaanesh DP shouldn't be better in CC than a Khorne one but here we are :p
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Benaiah
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FAQ overwrites Army Book overwrites BRB

Not magical. Don't really think it matters if the FAQ was "specifically" meant for this or not, but it clearly applies.
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Devil Slaine
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@ A'zrael - Point taken.

@ Benaiah - To clarify, I definitely agree that that they are "Not magical" and that the FAQ "clearly applies". I was wondering about GW's thought process and If they even considered the Daemonic attacks special rule when answering the FAQ. Just a little game of what if?
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kris_kapsner
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Great! I'll just reference the FAQ if some High Elf player has a problem with me burning his White Lions toting the Banner of the World Dragon with the template breath weapon. :)

It just didn't seem too cut and dry because of the wording for Daemonic Attacks.
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Vantraxx
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kris_kapsner
Jul 15 2014, 10:26 AM
Great! I'll just reference the FAQ if some High Elf player has a problem with me burning his White Lions toting the Banner of the World Dragon with the template breath weapon. :)

It just didn't seem too cut and dry because of the wording for Daemonic Attacks.
It's always the HE players... hehe
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