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base sizes
Topic Started: Jul 20 2014, 04:08 AM (1,068 Views)
Jonadams
Warrior of the Chamber
Hi guys.

To start off with. This is not a post about trying to gain an advantage using base size. This is a genuine discussion.

If you buy a chaos Lord on demonic mount you get a 50x50 mm base. If you buy skullcrushers you get 50x75 mm bases. There is no model for a palaquin of nurgle. Therefore what base is the correct base?

Also I am trying to build a mono nurgle list. But I'm struggling with speed in the list.

Any ideas.

Thanks

Jon
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A'zrael
The Chosen
Before you get really dissapointed, te Palaquin generally performs really poorly on the tabletop. If you want one for modeling purposes that's all well and good but the lack of a LoS! in a infantry unit and it's slow movement otherwise really hurts.

No help for your original question I'm afraid though :P
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Jonadams
Warrior of the Chamber
I know they are a less than optimum build. But doing a tale of gamers with some new players. So looking for fun themes not brutal builds.

Jon
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Jofarin
Clanlord
50*50 according to this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/82gbt5z20btzjdd/Warhammer%20base%20size%20chart.pdf
from
http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=113002 (ETC)
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kris_kapsner
Clanlord
50x50 is how I would build it.

It's not absolute garbage. You are able to bump up hero characters to 4 wounds. But, their lack of mobility hurts. You'll want a 4+ ward on that guy and maybe the charmed shield to ignore the first cannon ball headed his way due to the lack of "look out sir".
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A'zrael
The Chosen
kris_kapsner
Jul 20 2014, 07:24 AM
50x50 is how I would build it.

It's not absolute garbage. You are able to bump up hero characters to 4 wounds. But, their lack of mobility hurts. You'll want a 4+ ward on that guy and maybe the charmed shield to ignore the first cannon ball headed his way due to the lack of "look out sir".
You give a hero four wounds and...do what?

Outside of a Warrior deathstar or some similar thing that your opponent has to engage to win, he can just avoid him all game. Give him a charmed shield and you're lacking for mundane weapon options as well, since TaliPres and CS just ate his whole magical allowance.
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kris_kapsner
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A'zrael
Jul 20 2014, 07:42 AM
kris_kapsner
Jul 20 2014, 07:24 AM
50x50 is how I would build it.

It's not absolute garbage. You are able to bump up hero characters to 4 wounds. But, their lack of mobility hurts. You'll want a 4+ ward on that guy and maybe the charmed shield to ignore the first cannon ball headed his way due to the lack of "look out sir".
You give a hero four wounds and...do what?

Outside of a Warrior deathstar or some similar thing that your opponent has to engage to win, he can just avoid him all game. Give him a charmed shield and you're lacking for mundane weapon options as well, since TaliPres and CS just ate his whole magical allowance.
I would assume you'd run him in a big block of nurgle warriors...perhaps as a Bsb. Then give the warrior unit the banner of swiftness.

And yes, you are needing to protect him more than dish out damage in a situation like that. So, the talisman and charmed shield would eat up the magic slot. But you can get him scaly skin 5+ in gifts to run him at 4 wounds with a 1+ armor save and 4+ ward. Dishing out strength 5 attacks with him is not the end of the world.

It's not my style of unit for this incarnation of WoC. But I could see making the model at least viable.
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Nemesis
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Right, speed is not the palanquin's issue. Plenty of people throw their BSB on foot with warriors and have success. The LOS is its only real issue. Unfortunately, that's a rather large issue. Here's hoping they do away with the unit type limitation for LOS in 9th edition, it just severely limits many armies from being able to competitively field large chunks of their character builds.
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The Randy Halfling
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I would agree 100% that is goes on a 50x50. Look at Epidemius.
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Jonadams
Warrior of the Chamber
Thanks for all the replies. I will build it on a 50x50 base then. It's a shame that gw don't just standardise their bases. So all MC are on the same base. I choose to run exalteds on juggers just so they are on the same base as crushers. It's frustrating!

Jon
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kris_kapsner
Clanlord
Monstrous Cav is probably the biggest culprit in the massive variation for the same type of model. I mean, you have things like Pegasus being on both 40's and 50's. You have huge ones like Tomb King knights and Mournfang being in chariot bases. It's confusing. But, I don't expect them to rectify that in the next edition. It's kind of always been there, like with dragons. The rule has always been to put it on the base it came with. They are a model company first, before being a game company. Imagine all of the new basing that would be required if they suddenly released 9th edition and standardized the base sizes for unit types. Not good. If they release a new model and change the base size, then great, rebase your old model. But otherwise, it can stay the way it was before.
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Jofarin
Clanlord
Did anyone try a smoke and mirrors palanquin? Run a shadow sorc on a slaanesh mount into the enemy, then use the lore attribute to switch him with a palanquin guy. Alternatively using shadow steed on him would be cool too (fly him behind the enemy lines at a place WMs can't shoot him, next turn charge from the back).

@Pegasi being on 40s and 50s: It's like with humans. Empire soldiers are more organized, while marauders are a cloud of people roughly fighting in the same direction.
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LIquid_Squid
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Jofarin
Jul 20 2014, 10:05 PM
Did anyone try a smoke and mirrors palanquin? Run a shadow sorc on a slaanesh mount into the enemy, then use the lore attribute to switch him with a palanquin guy. Alternatively using shadow steed on him would be cool too (fly him behind the enemy lines at a place WMs can't shoot him, next turn charge from the back).

@Pegasi being on 40s and 50s: It's like with humans. Empire soldiers are more organized, while marauders are a cloud of people roughly fighting in the same direction.
Friendly character of the same troop type for smoke and mirrors. Sorry :/
Also aren't Marauders bulkier and larger than normal human mooks so that also accounts for that, and chaos thugs are slightly smaller models right?
Edited by LIquid_Squid, Jul 23 2014, 09:34 AM.
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Jofarin
Clanlord
Damn, you don't look up everything and instantly remember stuff wrong. Thought the palanquin was a war beast. And a slaanesh sorc on DM neither has someone to join for LOS, nor the protection of a 3++rr1, so probably is a bad idea anyways.
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