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Topic Started: Nov 8 2011, 05:05 PM (930 Views)
rothgar13
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Well said, TheOneHawk. And DarkChilde, being challenged isn't the same as being overtaken. I'm a regular in the Ogre Stronghold, actually, and the toughest builds you see there are the self-healing Slaughtermaster with Glittering Scales and several flavors of Tyrant. Are they tough to deal with? Certainly, but no so much so that I would go "new armybook please, I can't beat these guys". It may require us to adjust our strategy somewhat (IMO it raises the stock of the Chaos Lord, because all those combat stats suddenly aren't as much overkill as they once were), but I believe our book has the tools to overcome it.

@Kormar: I should have recognized the posting style - fancy seeing you here, sir.

I admit to having over-estimated the fightiness of Gors (in part because of their favorable matchup vs. our very own Marauders), but that in no way invalidates the rest of what I've said, especially when my opinions are so close to your own (we have the same top-tier armies and very similar reasoning as to why, for example). I'm sorry to hear that you don't respect my opinion simply because we disagree on occasion, but I guess common courtesy isn't something to be expected over the Internet, even if you extend it to others.
Edited by rothgar13, Nov 11 2011, 02:39 AM.
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Przemcio251
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From what i heard we will get VC then the Empire and after that their Arch Enemy mainly WOC:) any way as for plastic kits i would bet on Chariot/Shrine and Dragon Ogres Any way before 2013 we will get our book ^_^
Edited by Przemcio251, Nov 11 2011, 03:07 AM.
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DarkChilde
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How far behind do we have to fall before you feel we need a new book? Ogres have already supplanted us. People keep talking about dwarves I think we need a new book before them. Like I said the only reason they need a new book is to increase their artillery cost so they can't spam gunlines. Do we have to be the new wood elves before we get a book?
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TheOneHawk
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Dude, DarkChilde. I'm gonna be honest. If you think WoC is that weak, you're not playing very well. We're pretty balanced right now. That's the goal. Balance, not winbutton.
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DarkChilde
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I said do we have to be weak as wood elves before the souls that are so generous to other armies on this board feel we should get a book. Should we be last in line? And , if so I wouldn't not play because I would not go up against souped up armies without a need book. As it stands now i refuse to play a Skaven player. I hate gunlines and the new ogres I have. Not had fin fighting either. I halved had some wins, I even drew against a Skaven player before. Doesn't change the fact the Skaven are broken and.doesn't change the fact th so called balanced army of chaos is not winning tourney and we deserve a new book.

We should definitely get a book before dwarves. Why.does everyone on Herrwant to see every army done before us. You guys must play other armies as your primary. Why don't we change the name to warriors of charity Since we are being so generous to every other army
Edited by DarkChilde, Nov 11 2011, 05:15 AM.
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LORD VOKUL'NAX
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DarkChilde, I'm curious as to where you would rank WoC as compared to other armies? You've mentioned Skaven (which everyone agrees on) and Ogres being stronger armies, but I'm curious as to how you compare our army to all the others out there.

Which armies do you feel are more powerful than WoC?

Which armies do you feel are less powerful than WoC?
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grimni22
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we can't say dwarfs are balanced either. slayers are awesome models but they have no armour and almost always die early. flame cannons will only be able once before being charged and then get cut down. I can't say im complaining, but dwarfs are less balanced than WoC. artillery is awesome and slayers suck.

same for wood elves. want me to explain?
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TheOneHawk
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I'm starting to get the impression that DarkChilde is a troll.
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rothgar13
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Seconded.
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DarkChilde
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Nov 11 2011, 07:31 AM
I'm starting to get the impression that DarkChilde is a troll.
If by troll you mean someone who gives an opinion that you may not like or agree with I will add that I am a troll, however, everything I have said has been accurate . Our book is old. Ogre Kingdoms have very strong characters. Skaven are overpowered. Chaos is not winning tournaments. There is a lot of stuff out there that is doing just as well as chaos or better with older book so I don’t see why we can’t get a new book sooner rather than later. You have not answered the question. How long do we wait before getting a new book? Do we wait until we are like Wood Elves or do we get an update before then I am just curious.

When we start winning tournaments as freqeuntly as other armies I will say we are balanced,

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DarkChilde
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Nov 11 2011, 05:22 AM
DarkChilde, I'm curious as to where you would rank WoC as compared to other armies? You've mentioned Skaven (which everyone agrees on) and Ogres being stronger armies, but I'm curious as to how you compare our army to all the others out there.

Which armies do you feel are more powerful than WoC?

Which armies do you feel are less powerful than WoC?
I know there are a lot of list of where armies rank out there. Like I said I started in 8th edition and I have not experienced all the armies yet so I can’t say where all of them rank. For example, I have never encountered a Beastman player. From what I have seen in the league and few tournaments I actually participated in instead of just watched I would say the armies rank as follows:

Skaven
Dark Elves
Empire (tie for 3rd)
Dwarves (tie for 3rd)
High Elves (tie for 3rd)
Vampire Counts
Daemons
The New Ogre Kingdoms
Warrior of Chaos
Bretonians
Tomb Kings
Wood Elves

I have never actually seen anyone playing Lizardmen though I am told they are a very solid army. I would not rate Lizards as high as WOC though as I think we could take them. Their magic is strong, but honestly ours is also and magic is not a reliable strategy, and like I said people trash Beastmen but I haven’t seen them in play to say if I think so or not. Also, I will add Empire is good but rather unique. Their gunlines can be really bad for me and if they take the popemobile and archlector that was tough, but if someone doesn't know how to compose an Empire since they are all just basic level humans they can really suck.



Edited by DarkChilde, Nov 11 2011, 08:29 AM.
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rothgar13
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You must REALLY dislike facing shooty armies, because you've rated them really high. Much higher than me or others have.
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DarkChilde
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rothgar13
Nov 11 2011, 09:09 AM
You must REALLY dislike facing shooty armies, because you've rated them really high. Much higher than me or others have.
I do hate shooting, just like I imagine dwarves hate magic. Why? Because I really don't have any of it. Normal archery shooting isn't all that bad as the strength on the attacks is usually pretty low so they have a hard time hurting my chaos warriors, but even so a mass number of arrows flying at you as you march across the field isn't what I call a good time.

What I dislike more than normal shooting is warmachines. The dwarven grudgethrowers, ogre kingdom iron blaster, skaven warp canons, organ guns, trebuchets, etc. These I actually have to worry about wounding. What I usually do is have a big block of warriors with the blasted standard. Then I will have the Chosen Star have a character with the Iron curse Icon. Since the Chosen are Tzeentchian this gives them a 5 ward vs Warmachines. I run this just in case it takes a while for Divine Greatness to get on them. That way my warriors are fine and so are my Chosen...hopefully. As far as a magical standard I usually run the standard of discipline on the chosen, because leadership 8 for elite warrior sucks and I have witnessed myself and other WOC players lose from a single die roll where a 9 was rolled for leadership, which is honestly probably what WOC should have on their units to begin with
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rothgar13
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Well... if you make them Khorne, they're Frenzied and thus ItP. If you make them Slaanesh they're also Immune to Panic. That mitigates the consequences of shooting. I'll vouch for the fact that our options in the book aren't always as open as they could otherwise be, but the options we do have are quite good.
Edited by rothgar13, Nov 11 2011, 10:35 AM.
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DarkChilde
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Nov 11 2011, 10:34 AM
Well... if you make them Khorne, they're Frenzied and thus ItP. If you make them Slaanesh they're also Immune to Panic. That mitigates the consequences of shooting. I'll vouch for the fact that our options in the book aren't always as open as they could otherwise be, but the options we do have are quite good.
Yes, I could be here is the thing, and I know that this may sound heretical (and it seems like if you say something around here that garners a strong response folk are quick to label you a troll),but a I don’t think Khorne is really worth if for Chosen. I will go with Tzeentch every time. There is so much stuff out there against chaos, for example Skaven can evidently have a lot of their attacks warp attacks even melee that completely ignore armor so I like having a ward save, and if you get Divine Greatness a 3 up ward save is sweet when facing warmachines and a host of other things. With the CW I also run Tzeenth and with the Blasted Standard that gives them a solid 4 up on shooting. Outside of warp canons there are other high strength attacks and spells that ignore armor so again I try to make my units be as resilient as possible. I might run Khorne on Marauders, but honestly one thing about Khorne on a low leadership unit (L7) for marauders they are extremely easy to bait and be lead by the nose. For example, I have seen a smart Bret player bait Frenzied Marauders and then have their cavalry run away constantly while their other forces move to flank charge or focus on other units and just ignore the Chosen star which (moves slow as crap and isn’t going to get to them anyway). Slaanesh is also a solid mark (I know people seem to think it is underpowered), but when facing certain armies I just throw that cheap mark on them to keep them from fleeing due to casualties, but on second thought Marauder horsemen have been just another point sink for my opponents even if they are cheap so I may not use them to much anymore unless facing dwarves. Dogs are also very good but since they can be marked and have crap leadership they panic extremely easily.
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