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chaos lord vs exalted hero
Topic Started: Nov 22 2011, 03:34 AM (794 Views)
iggy666
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I've had little experience with 8th edition.

If im understanding correctly... if I have always strike first and higher Initiative than my enemy I can reroll to hit?

That's nice to know, I always wiff with my heroes.

Khorne lord with ASF essentially has hatred and frenzy? :D doesn't the helm of many eyes grant stupidity too? I feel like that's a guaranteed 1 turn of failure.
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iggy666
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400 - Khell, Lord of the Demon Flame - MoK, Helm of Many Eyes, Crown of Everlasting Conquest, Dragonhelm, Word of Agony, Halberd, Juggernaut.

Might be a little expensive. He has a 1+/4+ and a 2+ replaces the Regen when hit by fire. He has 6 str 6 attacks that reroll to hit.

It would probably be better to go with talisman of preservation because its cheaper than Regen and can't be ignored.


Lord with MoK, hellfire sword, helm of many eyes, juggernaut, word of agony.

This lord would have little to no defense, but he has 6 attacks that hit on 3s rerollable, str 5 so he wouldn't wound as often as str 6 or more... but he would deal d3+1 wounds per wound. If possible, id like to make a lord that uses offense as his defense, preferably killing all characters and monsters before they can retaliate.
Edited by iggy666, Nov 23 2011, 03:14 AM.
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TheOneHawk
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I'm serious. Give him a dragon. You won't be disappointed.
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iggy666
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What equipment? If he's on a dragon what else should I give him?
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rothgar13
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Not a whole lot, given how much Dragons cost. I'd say the basic protective gear (armor-booster, ward save item), and then maybe the Helm of Many Eyes and a Halberd.
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iggy666
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Lord on dragon is 570pts min, plus talisman and enchanted shield (2+/4+) and he is 620, plus mark and weapon.
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TheOneHawk
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He's worth it, though. I don't even give mine protective gear, really. I just make him murderous in combat, and depend on high WS, toughness, MoN and a solid armour save to keep him safe. He'll quite often be in a challenge and kill the character round one, as well, so I don't really bother with defense on him.

My build:

Lord
Dragon
Mark of Nurgle
Glaive of Putrefaction (for those really, really big monsters, pretty much guarantees the kill round two)
Helm of Many Eyes (Re-roll to hit, make sure you'll get at least one GoP wound done)
Necrotic Phylactery (Only defensive item I give him. Great value. Can't be killed by any do or die spells, can't be killed by Death character sniping, immune to poison. Love it.)
Soporific Musk (He's a lot of points and you don't want enemy units escaping once he beats on them.)
Charmed Shield (I lied, another defensive item, but cannons are his enemy and it's half the price of paying for a normal shield)

675 points. Worth every penny, unless he gets cannon sniped turn one, which is entirely possible, but it's a risk you take. I also try to get him and his dragon regen from the lore of Nurgle, but that's not guaranteed. Ram him into big scary monsters, character filled bunkers, flanks of important combats, etc. You won't be disappointed in the raw damage output he brings to the table. 17 attacks per turn, plus the ability to throw in one, or both, breath weapons if you really want some stuff to die. Especially if you end up on the flank of an enemy unit but not in combat for a turn, just nuke them with those breath weapons. Able to put out up to 41 wounds in a turn, technically. Incredibly unlikely, but that's higher than most hordes can put out, from one model.
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AnomalyOfAwesome
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The cost isn't what scares me. I'm sure he is worth every point. But how often do you play in a game where this build is legal and viable? It would be a 2700 point minimum to bring him along, so probably smallest game feasible is 2750. In that case, that is 25% of your army right there. Tack on the BSB, and you have a lot of points invested in heroes. Might get marginally better at 3k, but those games are higher than the norm. Other than that, that build does like very nasty and a lot of fun to play with. And people say our current army book is boring :-P
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iggy666
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I wont be using a Dragon Lord until 3k, at which point he will be khorne, but I appreciate that theonehawk.

I'm looking for a Lord build for 2500pts, maybe a demon prince, but all of this information has been a huge help for all of my characters.
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TheOneHawk
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2500? Bah, you're no fun.

Lord
Jugger
MoK
Axe of Khorne
Charmed Shield
Necrotic Phylactery
Helm of Many Eyes
Soporific Musk

Should murder stuff adequately. 380 points.
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theorox
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iggy666
Nov 23 2011, 02:17 AM
I've had little experience with 8th edition.

If im understanding correctly... if I have always strike first and higher Initiative than my enemy I can reroll to hit?

That's nice to know, I always wiff with my heroes.

Khorne lord with ASF essentially has hatred and frenzy? :D doesn't the helm of many eyes grant stupidity too? I feel like that's a guaranteed 1 turn of failure.
Better than Hatred, it works EVERY SINGLE TURN! High Elves have that for EVERYTHING! :'(

@Thread topic: The only two reasons to take Chaos Lords over Exalted Heroes is that you want a magic item combo or Gift combo wich is too many points for an Exalted to take, or that you've filled up your hero allowance with sorcerers. Basically. :)

Theo
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TheOneHawk
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Or if you want a dragon.

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iggy666
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theorox
Nov 24 2011, 03:38 AM
iggy666
Nov 23 2011, 02:17 AM
I've had little experience with 8th edition.

If im understanding correctly... if I have always strike first and higher Initiative than my enemy I can reroll to hit?

That's nice to know, I always wiff with my heroes.

Khorne lord with ASF essentially has hatred and frenzy? :D doesn't the helm of many eyes grant stupidity too? I feel like that's a guaranteed 1 turn of failure.
Better than Hatred, it works EVERY SINGLE TURN! High Elves have that for EVERYTHING! :'(

@Thread topic: The only two reasons to take Chaos Lords over Exalted Heroes is that you want a magic item combo or Gift combo wich is too many points for an Exalted to take, or that you've filled up your hero allowance with sorcerers. Basically. :)

Theo
I though heroes and lords had were part of the same allowance, I really need to reread the rulebook haha. Thank you though, that answers my question perfectly.

In a list with no magic what so ever, for 2500pts, I am debating between a lord and hero, a demon prince and hero, or a lord and demon prince.

Are demon princes worth their points if they don't use magic?

Basically, I am looking to create the perfect embodiment of khorne to lead my army, I just have no experience in over 2000pts, I've never used lords on monstrous mounts.
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rothgar13
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Daemon Princes are a bit fragile for what they cost, unfortunately, and you probably won't be able to afford a good Chaos Lord in the same army as a decent Daemon Prince.
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iggy666
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Lord it is than :) I like lords more anyway.

2500pts with 1 lord and no heroes (khorne, so no magic). Is this viable or would it be stupid to only have 1 character in 2500pts?
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