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Chaos 8th Ed Book - 2012
Topic Started: Nov 23 2011, 10:29 PM (2,302 Views)
rothgar13
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Sounds good to me.
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LORD VOKUL'NAX
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Nov 24 2011, 11:08 AM
That sucks, I love the current army book. But not suprised, as I heard about play testing being done for a while now. This can shelf the rumour about a three in one big Chaos army book of Daemons, Mortals and Beasts.


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I agree; I love the current book as well. Among other things, I don't want to see our diverse set of magic items axed.

I also agree with theorox... Matt Ward better not come anywhere near the book!!
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Kormak
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Everyone is getting the magic items axed, thats why they made all the common magic items, I don't care who writes the book as long as it isn't Phil kelly, while the DoC book was a broken pile of poo-poo the way it was written was actually very fluffy and created very good synergy between the marks. The WoC book had none of that, its just a bland, boring armybook with no flavour, one thing I hate, Tzeentch characters being able to join nurgle units, if you don't care for the fluff then its a ok book. If you started before the WoC book then chances are you kept on playing because you could build reasonable and fluffy lists for each god.
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Judgex83
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I myself use one mark for my entire army and I probably wont change that. there are those players that disregard fluff thou for pure strategy. A combo I see used alot is a unit of khorne warriors with 2 hand weapons and festus in the unit, now I personally could never do this since i think khorne is just a retard with an axe and a skull throne that hes always bragging about (maybe compensating for something) but that unit itself is very killy.
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Przemcio251
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Well drop the mammoth thing it won't happen i can bet on it:)
I really hope they will keep marks and 3 separate magic lores. And this is the thing im most worried about since bestmen lost their marks...
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Judgex83
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They rewrote the lore for beastmen entirely with the new book. It does not even mention chaos in it anymore. If they took out the chaos aspect of WoC then they would just be a roaming band of warriors and that would be incredibly boring and would sell like crap. Beastmen had the bit where they were beastmen and could write lore soley on that and be fine. I belive that GW intended to remove beastmen from chaos for a while now and is part of the reason they split up hordes of chaos besides the obvious fact of selling more armies and if they wanted to remove chaos from warriors they would of done it then.
Edited by Judgex83, Nov 25 2011, 10:30 PM.
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Przemcio251
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Hope you are right...
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rothgar13
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I think he is - they'd have to rebrand the army as Norsemen or something in order to strip the Chaos marks from them, not to mention re-write all the fluff for Archaon and all those other guys, AND THEN contend with the inevitable backlash of changing one of the flagship armies. If you read the Beastmen fluff, they were always fighting on the side of Chaos, but you don't really see all that much about specific mentions of gods and whatnot for their heroes... and that's in the old book.
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Przemcio251
Nov 25 2011, 08:41 PM
Well drop the mammoth thing it won't happen i can bet on it:)
I really hope they will keep marks and 3 separate magic lores. And this is the thing im most worried about since bestmen lost their marks...
when people drop the shaggoth/dragon kit, I really doubt its going to happen as a first wave release, not with a resin shaggoth model that is still very nice.
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Przemcio251
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Yes think so to... we will get a new monster or something... and i wonder if we will get plastic choosen eventualy...
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cross
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they wont strip the marks, they will change them. the two that need the change most are nurgle and slaanesh. people say tzeench is broken?? i dont think so. it only stacks to a 3++ in combo with a few items which you PAY for. if it needs changing adjust the cost. but the mark is good as it is. khorne is also good the way it is. if anything you shouldnt be able to loose it, like the banner of rage. we should keep our three lores. chaos is about the three gods uniting to wipe out everything else. you cant change this type of fluff without changing the brb fluff.

they wont make a new shaggoth model. they just released it in finecast. it makes no sense. if anything we will get a plastic dragon/ new monster kit. i expect new manticore rules or at least a price cut.

plastic chosen with a few modeling options. and i agree they need a rules reworking, along with the EOTG table. i dont think a gift should ever be a negative.

we wont get demons and we wont get a mammoth. i am hoping for a new type of unit that gives us a shooting option. fledgling sorcerers?? marauder crossbowman?? i dont know but something.

people mentioned increasing the cost of marauders. crazy. this is an effective build we have that works. i dont think its over the top. dont fix what isnt broken. just fix the stuff thats useless.

ohh and i hope they dont hack out half our magic items and gifts. chaos is the raw essence of magic we deserve a few options. more than ogres at the very least.


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Kormak
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Nov 26 2011, 05:01 PM
we wont get demons and we wont get a mammoth. i am hoping for a new type of unit that gives us a shooting option. fledgling sorcerers?? marauder crossbowman?? i dont know but something.
Any reason to say this? GW has released kits based on forgeworld products before, drop pods anyone? at one point I seem to recall the only way to get half the weapon options for a razorback was forgeworld.

We won't get any daemons? why, Phil Kelly isn't writing the book and chaos legions are getting daemons back in 40k, not full daemons just the troops choices for each god, that isn't the same as mixing which I sadly agree will never happen. IF traitor legions get daemons and WoC don't I can imagine alot of angry fans just as you had a lot of angry 40k fans when they messed up the last book.

They are more likely to gain daemons than shooting
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just my opinion. i dont think GW will release mammoth rules and a new mammoth model. i understand its been done before. i just dont think they will. dont get me wrong. i hope im wrong. a mammoth would be awesome, as long as it had decent rules.

i think they split the books to keep them split. if we get demons, do the demons get warriors? if one why not the other? whats the point of having two armies with half the choices the same. i play warriors because i want warriors. if i want demons i play demons. again just my opinion. it feels like back tracking as opposed to going forward. our core choice are already good, i would much rather see marauders be able to take a crossbow. if im being greedy id like to see them be able to scout as an option. (i fully admit that is most unlikly)

the books are being updated to balance the armies. put them more on a level playing field. skaven and dark elves made the transition from 7th to 8th very well. books released since then have been done based on 8th rules. every one else has shooting, i know we have a hellcannon but its a monster that gets maybe 3 shots a game if your lucky. it seems logical that they give us something to fill that void in our army.

i dont know much about 40k. but i dont want things done to our book just because they did it to a book in 40k.

just opinions. im just worried they are going to wreck a great army instead of improve it.
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I read a rumor on warseeer maybe? that chosen were getting the finecast treatment so I dont think we will be seeing plastics for those. Even if we do get demons I still think warriors are better then them. Bloodletters got hit hard with the nerf bat by removing frenzy and giving them killing blow in return, yeah not quiet an even trade. I wouldnt take plaguebearers over warriors and daemonettes dont compare to warriors in durability or killyness either and pink horrors are interesting but you need to run alot of them before they get access to the good spells and if your going to do that then just go play demons. What I would like to see is them work epidemus into are codex and have him buff anything marked with nurgle, Yes i would like them to make the book soley dedicated to nurgle so screw you guys and your other gods JK :P If they do include deamons I think we will see a few choices disapear because we will have a ton of choices at that point and lets be honest guys how many tears would be shed if we lost forsaken?
Edited by Judgex83, Nov 26 2011, 09:29 PM.
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Kormak
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Bloodletters are fine and they way they are now actually creates grey synergy with the army, KB is a brilliant ability to have, I also think you forgetting something, a Bloodletter is only 12pts, for the same points as 18 warriors you can have a unit 30 bloodletters in horde formation.

Maybe you wouldn't take daemons, thats your choice, I would take bloodletters in my chaos army, 30 WS5, S5 KB attacks, yes please.
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