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Ironcurse and MoT
Topic Started: Jan 28 2012, 03:16 PM (253 Views)
damage8185
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Hey all, quick question on how ironcurse icon and tzeentch work together. The way I read it, the icon gives my hero and any unit he is with a 6+ save. Tzeentch then boosts that save to a 5+. My friend however says that the increased ward save only applies to the model that has the mark of tzeentch. So if I put a tzeentch sorcerer in a unit of nurgle warriors, do they have a 5+ or a 6+? And are there any rules or FAQs to prove the statement?
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Tekik
Dragon Ogre
I am pretty sure it only applies to models with the mark of tzeentch.
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guardian angel
Exalted Guardian
Tekik is correct. The nurgle warriors will only get a 6+ ward. That's why it's better to put that item on a character in a Tzeentch marked unit. Makes it more effective.
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Sawdust
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The Chosen
Remember that marks does only benefit to the model who has it. A character with MoK would not grants frenzy to any unit he joins. I can see that this ironcurse-situation is not supported by the rules, but in my oppinion it is just pure logic ;)
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damage8185
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Thanks for the clarification!
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Terriss
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Audust
Jan 28 2012, 08:17 PM
Remember that marks does only benefit to the model who has it. A character with MoK would not grants frenzy to any unit he joins. I can see that this ironcurse-situation is not supported by the rules, but in my oppinion it is just pure logic ;)
I thought a unit joined by a character with Frenzy gains Frenzy so long as the character has it?
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Tekik
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No, only the character gets the extra attack from frenzy. The entire unit has to test so it doesn't charge automatically though. The way around this is to put a character in a unit with the banner of rage. That gives frenzy to the unit which he is now part of there for he has frenzy as well.
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theorox
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And the mounts don't get frenzy.

*Sits back and waits for can of worm to open* :D

Theo
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Tekik
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Does the banner give mounts frenzy? I understand that MoK doesnt but I am unclear on the banner. (Doesnt make that much of a differance to me because I dont put it on cav)
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Sawdust
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Not that it matters to me either, but the description of the banner clearly states that the unit gets frenzy. In that case I would assume it includes the mounts since they are part of the unit. Hope I don't tread on anybodys boots by saying so ;)
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phierlihy
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I see it played both ways. I used to be a firm believer that mounts should get it however the Banner of Rage gives Frenzy to "the unit". However I realized that the description is fulfilled by only applying the Frenzy rule to the riders - the unit has Frenzy. I feel it is gentlemanly to always assume the side which is least advantageous to myself when the rules are unclear so that's how I apply the rule.
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