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| The Chaos Gods animosity; A discussion. | |
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| Fingol | Jan 5 2007, 02:53 AM Post #31 |
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True enough, I remember the old days when Druchii were wierd looking buggers who lived in trees and worshipped Chaos.
Absolutely, but the big difference is that the worshipers of Khorne are completely selfless. Blood for the Blood God and all that. However, the Temple of Khaine stresses a more Slaaneshie point of view in that it's more introverted. The reason the Druchii turned from Isha was because Isha's Harvest was being denied to them. Now they turn to Khaine's Hunt to get what they want. The only reason they give a tenth of their loot to the Temple is because the Temple will have them executed if they don't, and the Hag Queens are just as selfish as any Slaaneshi. So yes, you're right that in fueling those more Khornite desires, they are giving some more power to Khorne, but they're giving just as much power to this seperate entity simply because of the nature of Dark Elves. Mindless rage and hate have little place in their society. Greed, ambition, and ruthlessness would better describe the emotions that Khaine feeds on (and yes I know Witch Elves behave in the exact same ways as Khorne warriors, but it's because of the drugs ;) ). |
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| bazzar | Jan 5 2007, 07:54 PM Post #32 |
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not quite in liber chaotic tzeentch (not exclusively fantasy as it makes reference to magnus and the 1000 sons) but when the writer is shown the 4 thrones of chaos he asks about the realms of the other gods and is told that there is only the realm of chaos and the 4 thrones and all other gods are manifestations of the four in some combination. and i don't believe they are seperate as that goes in the face of 3rd (or was it 4th) ed where chaos armies could have 40k wargear in fantasy. i like to think that the fantasy realm exists in the middle of the eye of terror in 40k where the eternal struggle is fought on a single world....but then again fluff can change. |
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| snyggejygge | Jan 5 2007, 08:14 PM Post #33 |
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It was 3:rd edition, but GW has said many times that it was a mistake to have both gaming systems in one universe & that it has no connections what so ever anymore, even if a lot of people try & find the connections (which you might find as they both started out w. same background story, but that is irrelevant now a days) |
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| Fingol | Jan 6 2007, 12:01 AM Post #34 |
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@bazzar, the trouble there is that Black Library books are overruled by Warhammr Supliments which are always overruled by the specific army book for a given race. And those army books are overruled by each other if an older book says something contrary to a newer one. So most people use the 5th edition books to learn about fluff, but if they come accross something that the 6th edition book says otherwise, they have to go with the 6th edition. (oops, I forgett we're on 7th edition these days :lol: ) |
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| Tammil Augrimm | Jan 6 2007, 01:14 AM Post #35 |
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Actually I believe the 6th ed Hordes of Chaos Book had something similiar to what bazzar said in it's intro fluff, probabily in the "Gods and Daemons" section.... |
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| acolite | Jan 6 2007, 02:03 AM Post #36 |
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@ Fingol: And people wonder how on earth we manage to have these debates :rolleyes: . Imo fluff is largely "IMO" anyway! Everyone has their own knowledge of it, and its just a matter of respecting it, solely because it never helps if you disprove somone... they just end up disliking you onstead of disliking your oppinion :D . Its a funny situation though, as if some novelist changed something in the universe they created, then you just have to respect their choice, because its their work! Whereas people tend to give GW stick for making mistakes and changeing them, as if the players themselves have some claim to the things GW have created... but I guess on some level we do! |
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| S'tan | Jan 6 2007, 03:18 AM Post #37 |
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actaully, that's one of the main features that i just love about GW (and BL) fluff. it's nowhere close to objective, and everyone can interpritate (sp?) even events that would seem most clear to someone in a fashion he likes. take the ''iron cage'' fluff from 40k for example. the iron warriors built a massive fortification with a vault of no real value at the center, a trap into which they hoped to lure the proud imperial fists. the IF knew it was a trap (the IW fluff said they fell for the oh so great masterplan), but decided to face the thing anyway. when they fought there, they were brave and vailant, battleling IW and advencing to the heart of fortifications (the IW fluff says they lost more men than gained yards and were overally bloody and defeated, just too dumb to know it). so the imperial fists were almost owerwhelmed, but the ultramarines came to save the day, although that way not at all crucial (imperial fists fluff, the IW version says that the ultramarines came to save the day for them, or else they would have been defeated) and what followed was seen as ''tactical withdrawal'' for the IF and ''cowardly fleeing'' for the IW. know what i mean? :D |
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| acolite | Jan 6 2007, 03:28 AM Post #38 |
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Do you mean in the army fluff? i.e. that each army has its own versions of the same events, like you have described, or that the readers can interprate it any way? If you mean that the armies see it differently, I also too like that side of it, becuase it echoes real life at the end of the day, where everything is just oppinion and propoganda, and even the soldiers fighting the war don't know the truth. |
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| Fingol | Jan 6 2007, 03:37 AM Post #39 |
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:lol: True. Okay, how about this: Current army book > previous army book > suppliments > BL
Yeah but things get muddled. For instance, take the HE and DE versions of the Sundering. Furion says that Bel Shanar drank poison to kill himself because he discovered what an aweful king he was. Ulthwe says that Malekith used poison to kill Bel Shanar because he's evil. If you're just getting into warhammer in the 6th edition, you'd have no objective story to read so it all becomes a big mess. IMO they should come out and tell us what's what rather than beating around the bush. If they did that I wouldn't have to explain how emotions and worship of mortals causes a new warp entity to be born (ie. Khaine & Khorne :P )
Aw shucks. I'm a self-proclaimed history buff, I approach all this stuff as if I was doing research on an ancient culture. That means a lot of disproving :( |
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| bazzar | Jan 12 2007, 01:06 PM Post #40 |
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warhammer fluff is like the bible anyone can find what they want to prove whatever they want |
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