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| AMP187 | Nov 12 2006, 03:05 PM Post #1 |
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I was thinking about starting a Hordes of Chaos army but what's holidng me back is in the past I've seen Chaos labeled "noobish" or simple. This kinda' disturbs me since being cheesy or noobish would kinda detract from the fun of the army for me. I was wondering if this is supposed to apply to all Chaos or just certain Gods/builds/whatever. I'm pretty sure Khorne has been labelled pretty noob (unfortunate because back when I played 40K I had a World Eaters army :) ) but I was wondering if any of the other Gods were fun, or which ones did what in the Fantasy version of Chaos. Thanks! |
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| Pete | Nov 12 2006, 05:10 PM Post #2 |
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I think an all-Slaanesh army will be fun. Slaanesh units are immune to psychology, the lore is cool, and you can use mtd daemonettes (one of the best fast cav units in the game). If you don't wanna be labelled noobish, just don't go nuts with warriors and knights, the marauders is there too ;) |
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| end of mankind | Nov 12 2006, 06:57 PM Post #3 |
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Khorne is in no way noobish. In fact, an all Khorne army is one of the hardest to handle. Unless, of course, your opponent is a pretty bad general. Khorne units can be baited, led around the table (or even off it) and generally be kept out of the big battles you need to win for the major part of the match. Otherwise I do agree with Pete, if you don't go totally over the top on Knights (and Warriors to an extent), you'll have a pretty balanced army. |
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| AMP187 | Nov 12 2006, 10:47 PM Post #4 |
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yea i was consdiering making a tzeentch/nurgle army despite my love for Khorne. I have this awesome Bloodthirster from my 40K days and is there any way I could use him but still not be all Khorne? I also have some bloodletters and fleshounds |
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| Champion of Darkness | Nov 13 2006, 12:12 AM Post #5 |
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Well, you can do army with Bloodthirster without playing an all Khorne, but the Army must be at least 3k, and you must have another character with Ld 9, who must be Undivided, and your general. Then you may mix all the units together. :D |
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| AMP187 | Nov 13 2006, 12:33 AM Post #6 |
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So I couldn't just have them un-marked or have them Undivided despite having a thirster for the general? |
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| ediblespread | Nov 13 2006, 12:53 AM Post #7 |
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That can be undivided, but not any other mark - no tzeentch, slaneesh, or nurgle. |
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| Tammil Augrimm | Nov 13 2006, 12:43 PM Post #8 |
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Ah, the problem being if your general is Khorne in fantasy, you're troops can only be undivided or khorne. Also, as he is a Daemonic General, your army will be daemonic, and there is only 1 undivided daemon, the chaos furies, which are restriced to a 0-1 choice, so you'd have to have a least 2 units of khorne daemons to form the core choices of your army. |
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| Lord Marixis | Nov 14 2006, 08:32 AM Post #9 |
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Well, to be honest, some players consider Tzeentch to be 'cheesy' or 'power-playing' at times due to the large amount of power dice that a good army can generate. Of course, they don't take into consideration the immense cost of the MoT for characters or the nice new Miscast table. ;) And Chaos is by no means an easy army to play with. The complete lack of missile units (except for throwing axe-equipped Marauder Horsemen and magic) means that you have to rely on close combat in order to be effective. And, in order to do this, Chaos players must always protect their flanks. Fortunately, Marauder Horsemen and Screamers do an admirable job at that. Having a Khorne general (Bloodthirster, Lord, etc.), or any Marked char, limits your troops to that Power and Undivided. So, if you want to take different Marks in your army, I'd recommend an Undivided general and Marked supporting chars (if you want any). That way, you can freely pick and choose from any and all Chaos units. |
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| bazzar | Nov 14 2006, 11:02 AM Post #10 |
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because of the raw power of the warriors and knights chaos will always be labelled as noobish however it will only be given this label by noobs. |
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| AMP187 | Nov 15 2006, 03:49 AM Post #11 |
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well i picked up some warriors last night, still trying to decide if i should go undivided or be a certain god... what would yall say has the most variety out of all the chaos builds, as far as chaos gods and stuff? also, im not sure if i wanna have a daemon prince lead my army (with Master of Mortals) or an Exalted Champion(Lord in big games). Which tailors itself best to what style of play? |
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| ediblespread | Nov 15 2006, 04:46 AM Post #12 |
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Yeah, its your choice ultimately, but in the interest of all that is good and fluffy, please don't mix these two only! :D I'd love to read the fluff to such an army. General tips - demon led armies arent worth it really, as daemons are a: pricy for the wallet and b: pretty much suck in a normal hordes or beasts list - a 5+ ward that doesnt work against magic means you get pretty much screwed over... add that to the fact that a few failed Ld tests can destroy your entire army and you've got to be careful. if you want to play demons, but don't go to tournies, I suggest the Daemonic Legions list - the 5+ demonic save turns into a normal 5+ ward, and alot of other good stuff happens. As for doing a normal army, I would suggest mortal lead. Note on lords though, most chaos players dont use one before 2.5k or 3k - two exalteds usually do the job better. Right, different styles. Khorne is fun, but one of the most tactically challenging lists to play - you have to keep your units from charging off until you are ready to let them. One good way I have seen is to advance your frenzied troops behind warhounds or marauders, keeping them from charging anything, then the turn before you get in charge range, move the hounds/marauders to let them see. Nurgle I don't really have much experience with, but fear is pretty nasty in the new rules... but its also pricey. Slaneesh doesnt have much different from a normal chaos army, being the cheapest mark, but being I2P is quite good for the price. Note though, one of the best exalted combinations is a Helm Of Many Eyes combined with a Great Weapon, giving him 4 S7 attacks which strike first, means he has to take a stupidity test every turn - even if I2P - so undivided is actually better. Tzeentch is actually really hard to make a decent competitive list with without breaking it. Basically, you either get 25847637 PD and only two units, or you do the smart thing and make it a mostly undivided, but using Tzeentch for some extra PD. |
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| AMP187 | Nov 15 2006, 05:32 AM Post #13 |
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well i was thinking of either getting an archaon model to represent the exalted champ/lord, or a be'lakor model if i use a daemon prince. i'm gonna have a mostly mortal army so it'll be fine, and i was thinking of getting i think diabolic splendour for the daemon prince if i use him so the 5+ ward save doesnt get ignored by magic |
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| dragonmage | Nov 15 2006, 07:02 PM Post #14 |
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if you want help with chaos heres a good starting up guide for fantasy battles http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=934 |
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| rogge_85 | Nov 15 2006, 10:15 PM Post #15 |
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Even though that guide is decent, I think the one snygge wrote for this site under Chaos tactics is a lot better (please snygg update it to 7:th rules) & I´ve also read an article by Tammil & snygge which was a lot better as well (but might need an update too). |
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