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Chaos faction in the Hour of the wolf campaign
Topic Started: Jan 3 2007, 05:54 PM (1,612 Views)
acolite
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I don't see your point...

You are saying that Asur.org partly made this campaign for getting members? well yes, that is a factor in everything forums do, but I just dissaprove of them having total control over what we do!
We are hardly diverting attention to COTEC for our own purposes, we are just choosing the manage things from our home.

imo if they REALLY don't want me to do ANYTHING none-Asur.org related in this campaign... then I'm really not that inclined to play. I can understand them to a point, but if they use the excuse of 'getting more members' too much and in such a controlling and aggressive way, then frankly I just don't want to be involved with that!

Take UE's Civil War: One of the big reasons for making it and running it for 2 years was to retain activity and intrest, and so keep UE alive. But they were never this totalitarian, and they more flexible, friendly attiduce inspired more people to become involved.
Sure, we all used the forums that UE provided, but I always found that I used them out of respect for UE, respect that they wouldn't have got if they'd acted less kindly to me.



I'm not over reacting, I'm just exagurating the situation to get my point across. As it stands, my motivation to become involved is dented a little by this slight totalitarianism by Asur, but I'll still play.
However if it gets to a point, then I will stop. I nearly reached that point with TW, but carried on and the campaign managed to win me over by other means, but thats not to say a large amount of enjoyment was lost.
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ediblespread
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They don't have a totalitarianist attitude - what I'm saying is that while they would probably love for you guys to have your own forum here for it, the main chaos forum would be at asur, as they will have more chaos members there than we do here (probably), and that it means they have easier control over it if things go wrong. Also, they already have measures in place to know which member is in which team - what happens if a "chaos_warrior1991" appears the day after it starts, claiming to be in chaos? How do you know he/she really is? At asur, their member group helps them control that easier, and they have alot more mods on hand to spot spies and the like.
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Lightbringer
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Yed Acolite, you are over reaction. Read what we said :P

You are free to run things from Cotec if you want, but the fact is alot of the chaos players will not be here but only over at Asur, so you would not have much success. Also, as ediblespread pointed out Asur has safeguards against spies that most people will want to keep.
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Fingol
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Oh, and they don't really need more numbers. They've got some 4,000 members already, and many people show up for the campaigns and only for the campaigns. Sure they get some new regulars, but it's not their primary objective.

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acolite
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@ LB: when I began my post you had not posted yours.


@ Edible: My apologies, I just got the wrong impression. To me it seemed that you were saying Asur wanted everything over there, end of.


Though on the note of the safeguards; That doesn't make sense...

Theoretically we have a secret forum, and we only let in members from the Chaos faction... where is the breakdown?

The only 'safeguard' is that Asur.org can see what we are doing in their forums, but if we wanted to leak info and cheat, we would do it out of Asur.org anyway!



I don't debate that there will be a lot of non-COTEC Chaos Players, I was merely stating my objection to the attitude that I saw ediblespread portraying of Asur.org.

As you can see, there is plenty of room for a break-down in understanding, but even so, I wasn't over-reacting! I was reacting perfectly correctly to the information I had, but the information was flawed so my reaction looked unjustified when compared with the reality of the situation which I was not fully aware of!


Also as you can see, I'm not active at Asur.org at all. Its nothing personal, but I just have no intrests there, and have no friends there. In fact if anything, its that people I am not all too fond of are there.
Anyone who I'm friends with from Asur is my friend from somewhere else originally, most probably here or UE.


But I totally understand and respect that other people feel the same way about COTEC! I don't dislike anyone I've met online, but there are certain people that I haven't had the time to appreciate the good sides of.
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Lightbringer
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Theoretically we have a secret forum, and we only let in members from the Chaos faction... where is the breakdown?

The only 'safeguard' is that Asur.org can see what we are doing in their forums, but if we wanted to leak info and cheat, we would do it out of Asur.org anyway!

Ah, but nothing stops person X from regestering here as person Y to make it look like they are in the chaos faction. Not very likely no, but it can't happen on Asur :P
Not much, but I am pretty sure that the chaos players who are not already here will see little point of going here instead of Asur since there is no real benefit.
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ediblespread
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There, there Acolite, its alright... *pats acolite on the head* Don't worry, the nasty asur.org-ers aren't going to get you...

What Im saying is that how do you know if a member, even say me, tells you I am fighting for chaos and so want access into the boards here? Say I haven't joined a faction yet on asur.org, so if you look at the memberlists you don't know which one I'm on. Say I tell you there is a problem with my computer and I cannot go on asur.org at the moment, so I cannot join the chaos faction to prove it to you. So you let me join, and I can instantly see all your plans and tell the people who I am really fighting for (all theoretical of course)

So, while im here... fancy granting me access to your secret boards...? :P
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I suppose you do have very good points there, i.e. I'm as thick as a gate post :D .

Sadly it didn't even occur to me that somone might register under anothers name :rolleyes:

@ edible: Sure, I can give you access to the admin forum if you want... of course you will have to ritually shake your testicles and give the other admin $800 like me, LB, and Strat all did :D
I think he can skip the first part... ~LB
Nah... I like the testicular shaving, its kinda Slaanesh-y :P - acolite
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ediblespread
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Certainly - I shall credit your account with 800 Jamaican Dollars this evening. Thats worth about Ģ6.10 by the way.
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Anarion
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Well as I've been drifting around the net looking at the various other sites members advertising this campaign and when I read this thread I felt compelled to register and dispel a few misconceptions that I saw.

First of all, I'm Anarion, an admin at Asur.org, and primary developer of the campaign system, just so you know who I am. It concerns me that the idea has come up that Asur.org is looking to pull all the activity for the campaign onto our site, and that we are in that way trying to recruit members for our site. I know that the people mistakenly giving this impression have already posted to say this was not their intent but I want to add my comments to that, since I'm an admin there.

There's two big reasons why I and others spend too much of our free time developing these campaigns. First off, they are a lot of fun, and secondly they really promote inter site relationships (or so I like to believe). We've had a lot of new guests and a lot of our members have branched out to other sites as well. It's good for the whole gaming community. Initially we just brought in druchii.net for the first campaign. Last year we add Bugmans and other dwarf sites for the second campaign. This year we're pulling in still more. The camaraderie of these various groups has been great and I hope that continues. We don't expect people to stay after the campaign, but we do hope that everyone has a great time while it lasts.

Now regarding whether you can run the Chaos faction from over here. Certainly you can do as much as you want. The pros and cons of doing that are yours to decide. The reason I would give for at least maintaining an active presence at asur.org is because the Chaos faction will likely include other chaos sites such as Herdstone and the Daemonic Legion, as well as some of our members. Obviously they could join up here just as easily as asur.org, but you have to join asur.org in order to play anyway. We tie game registration to forum registration to ensure as best as possible that people only play as one player. That's it for reasons, hopefully that is enough. I certainly don't want the wrong impressions of our site.

Regards,
Anarion
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Lightbringer
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Don't worry Anarion, I think most of that discussion was simply a missunderstanding. We really apreciate the work you have done since the Asur campaigns are some of the most interesting out there!
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Narmo Eressea
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Welcome Anarion! Good to see more good elves between all this chaos players. take a look at the Fall of Kings as it i really great.

To hell with all. I will in a 90% join chaos to serve the last true asur.
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Fingol
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I will in a 90% join chaos to serve the last true asur


Dude... that's the biggest oxymoron I've ever seen :huh:
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Lightbringer
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Seriously Narmo, you should realise that Anar is NOT the last true Asur. You put to much into what Alith Anar is in the original timeline. In this one he is a person that willingly gave himself to chaos, he sold his soul, in the end the only thing he wants is to kill Malekith and then he does not care if the chaos gods so shoulde whipe out all elves from the world and destroy Ulthuan.

Following Alith Anar is not something that will help the Asur or Ulthuan in any way, in fact he is probably one of the greater threats to both. If you join chaos you should do so for a good reason.
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I should probably elaborate on my previous post...

What I meant was, in the official timeline, Alith Anar is probably the third coolest Elf in existance. He's a true son of Nagarythe, adhering to all of the ancient traditions (except for the use of poisons) and even managed to keep the Shadowlands from becoming another joke of an Elven kingdom despite the trials and tribulations that land suffers. He's the only Elf that ever managed to decieve Morathi, probably even had his way with her before he stole the stone of midnight (the reward for his capture just happens to be a room full of Naggaronds greatest treasures and a night with two maibd, if you can imagine how rare that is). In the official timeline, you'd be absolutely right. Alith Anar is the only true Asur left besides maybe Teclis. He hasn't been consumed by hatred because he realises he is still responsible for his people.

This other AA however, is completely different. No less cool, but different. The only world he sees is one without Malekith. The dice are cast and his fate is set. He will persue Malekith till his flesh wears out despite what may happen to the world that the Asur helped to shape. As the Everchosen, it is only a matter of how many people need to die before he kills the Witch King (and woe to all of his former Nagarythi that get in his way). But it won't matter. Malekith's master of sorcery is such that he can die all day long. He'll just throw his soul into the warp and be back a few months later.

The Shadow King is gone Narmo. There is just the Everchosen.
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