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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 12 2007, 07:52 PM (1,007 Views) | |
| The Bearer | Apr 12 2007, 07:52 PM Post #1 |
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What do I mean my this? Well what I want to do is move COTEC AWAY from associating rank with post count and more of rank with how IMPORTANT YOU ARE to COTEC. So you may post over 2000 post and achieve the rank of Warmaster - this wont wholly reflect that you are a regular veteran poster - but that when people look and see that you are the rank of Warmaster it means you've been with COTEC through all this time, have contributed so greatly and are looked upon with such high regard by all of COTEC of all the hierarchy that you have the rank you do. Ranks are something to be proud of and are above all a thank you and a beacon from which COTEC can show its most shining members off to the public. Which is also why the icons generally get cooler the more higher up you are :) To that end, post counts will become currency on COTEC. For example at the end of the month the top ten posters might be given an extra 10-20 post count as a reward, with the number one poster being given more. Sure we might have the same people getting the rewards - but why shouldnt they, no one is stopping any of our over 600 members from doing the same. Or when it comes to projects, your assistance depending on your involvement will be handsomley rewarded. I would be inclined to say that it could even number in the 100's, so if you've got a talent or a can do attitude then even if your a new member its a fantastic way to get up in the ranks. Campaigns are another big one - your heroic efforts and involvement will be rewarded with treasure chests of post counts since COTEC is a city of war and campaigns when COTEC does actually got to war seems only fitting that new ranks be poppin up the place. It would also be a great opportunity for YOU to actually create your own mythology that mixes into COTEC's eg. In the battle of something I was elevated to the rank of Clanlord by the Dreadlords themselves for the beheading of the traitor Something, blah, blah, blah. If such a plan is taken postively by our membership, then I am planning to even create the city of COTEC which will of course be interactive - to a point. How so? With each new rank you will be given certain passwords that will actually allow you to explore different parts of the city eg. Archlords would be the only ones allowed to enter the Shadows Heart - remember in that PDF you downloaded, its in the fluff. You'd actually get to see what the Shadows Heart looks like, what the Guantlets of Judgment looks like and the secret of those three eyes - stuff like that. Such images and knowledge would never be seen outside those walls. While this would be mainly scenic, it is something that again proves the stature of your position and is an asthetic thank you from COTEC of your efforts here. So what do you say? |
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| Valtiel | Apr 12 2007, 08:10 PM Post #2 |
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Mind if I hug you? Pretty please? :mellow: This is really another awesome idea. I really like it, especially because it gives you the opportunity to do something get rewarded, plus people won't probably spam a lot because of this as well. Sounds terrific! Can't wait to see how it works! |
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| Lightbringer | Apr 13 2007, 12:41 AM Post #3 |
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Evil Wizards Inc.
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Well I have always like the idea of killing the post counts. So yes, please, lets do! But in the right way. So let me make my oppinion clear from the start since I might be the most negative of everyone here: Anything that resembles a status system is bad! I am sorry to be negative about your idea here, but I have seen alot of different systems for status where you can earn points, and I have never seen it end well. Even though admins had the best intentions it always gets out of hand. So please, no giving out rewards and people having more status than other and being able to access things others can't, it will not end well. I propose a much simpler system. Give people a rank based on what they do on cotec. A normal member has a "Warrior" rank. A admin has a "Dreadlord" rank, a Moderator is an "Archlord", someone who writes official fluff for a campaign is a "Arcane Shribe" etc. Straight forward, simple and informative, and lacks the element of gaining status in the way other suggestions have. And it still gives people who do something for Cotec some recognition :P |
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| end of mankind | Apr 13 2007, 12:41 AM Post #4 |
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I totally agree with Valtiel. This idea should reduce any spamming (if it even happens at all), and instead encourage people to contribute to CotEC in a positive way. |
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| acolite | Apr 13 2007, 01:46 AM Post #5 |
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Well, from my point of view, I support LB on this, solely because the ammount of effort your "regular reward system" requires, scares the willies out of me! Though, if you have the time, go ahead, it sounds cool! |
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| Gorgoth The Mighty | Apr 13 2007, 04:07 AM Post #6 |
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I think that there needs to be a hierarchy system, but it doesn't need to be post-count related. The idea of the post count currency is cool! Maybe change the name (instead of post count) to Chaos Cash :P (thats silly, but something like that) |
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| S'tan | Apr 13 2007, 04:10 AM Post #7 |
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I'm with Lightbringer on this one. We have mods, we have admins and we have users. I don't see why some would be more important and respected than others. An opinion is an opinion and since this is not a forum like warseer where you start typing a reply and by the time you're finished, 10 posts have been written in the same topic (what i'm trying to say is we members all know each other and there isn't THAT much going on...) i don't really see the need for that. Only my 0.02€ |
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| Gorgoth The Mighty | Apr 13 2007, 04:20 AM Post #8 |
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I guess I agree, but it would be good to get a system set up until (hopefully) eventually COTEC can grow into a prosperous community like warseer. It will probably never get THAT big, because COTEC is rather specific in orientation, but I would like to see it grow to, oh, say 2,000 members. I think thats achievable. Right now I can think of perhaps 25 members who regularly post, so if we got up to 2,000 total members, then that would give us 100 regularly posting members. If we ever got that high, I think that there would be a need for a 'ranking' system. Sure maybe post counts aren't the best way to do this, but in my humble opinion I think that there will be sometime in the future. |
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| Lightbringer | Apr 13 2007, 04:42 AM Post #9 |
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Evil Wizards Inc.
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I've never really understood this :P Why would we need a ranking system if we had 2000 members? Look at asur, they have like 4000 and they don't have one. |
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| acolite | Apr 13 2007, 06:26 PM Post #10 |
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As far as ranking goes, most communities begin to built there own without any material system... a kind of "respect ranking" sort of thing :P . Now I don't mean that certain people have to bow down to others in a completely fascist social heirarchy, but as the community developes, certain people stand out, and we all become accustomed with who does what within the forum. take snyg, for example. Even if you took his post count away, and he wasn't a mod, everyone would know him as a really dedicated, mature, high quality poster and great member. Also Mistrea as another example, most of the 'old-timers' remember his many (and high quality) topics on how much each ability costs (the name I'm looking for has totally left my mind!), as well as being a big contributer to the new Lagothians and CAOD, as well as a solid contributer to general discussions. In this way, he also has gained a 'position' despite not actually having an visible representation of it so much. Status is also founded on things that have happened, e.g. Strat and Tr0x's home videos and Froot Loop Redemption, Narmo's many and very debatable Asrai friends in FoK, rag's rage insitement during LoA... people pick a kind of 'history' up along the way. Most of the time this kind of 'natural status' is too complex and formed of too many different elements to represent with a single gif or title, yet its still there. What I'm getting at is that even if you entirely do-away with any sort of status and position system, we will still have one present within the forum, it just won't be driven by post count or something. This isn't a good or bad thing, its just a thing :P So in essence, the gifs and fluff could just as well be used solely for the purpose of 'being cool', and does anyone have a problem with that? :P Cool aesthetic is what COTEC does best :D |
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| Lightbringer | Apr 13 2007, 07:27 PM Post #11 |
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This is sort of another thing. This is a history that takes care of itself. Its status system where you get actual points for things that never work, mostly because they never actually fit with the natural status of things. Also, the only way for this to work seems to be to hide post counts and then shut them off. The second I can do, the first I never figured out how to :P Although I think the people at UE know. |
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| Gustav | Apr 13 2007, 08:31 PM Post #12 |
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I actually don't care about this, but I'd just like to point out that, though this would show who are the most active posters and who's the most dedicated, but it wouldn't be the indicator of the member's post quality. I mean, I can be a member of Cotec from the early begginings and I can spam all day long, but this won't improve my post quality. And someone new to this forum will of course respect the opinion of those who have higher post counts. We're not looking for having 10 000+ posts, but to help those who need help. |
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| snyggejygge | Apr 13 2007, 08:38 PM Post #13 |
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But on the other hand COTEC hasn´t had any real spammers, the community is friendly w.out people making unnecessary post. I´ve said it before & say it again, I don´t care whether post counts are shown or not, but encouraging members to be active, helpful & friendly is always good, if the reward is a title or something else which doesn´t need to be about posts at all, then good. |
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| acolite | Apr 13 2007, 08:38 PM Post #14 |
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Ah, but what I'm saying is that due to the 'history status' you don't necessarily need a 'gift status system'. but anyway, thats hypothetical. As I was saying, I support LB's version, where people are awarded special titles/ranks and 'fluff positions' for doing certain things, like if Bob390 was the Faction Leader of the team that won the "Plains of Woe" mini-campaign, then he would gain the title/rank of "Lord of the Plains of Woe". From this he would gain a nice little gif and some fluff inclusion in the story of COTEC. It still has pretty much the same outcome as Bearer's original concept, save that you wouldn't have to put all that effort in. I mean, first you have to constantly watch the entire forum, read EVERYTHING that EVERYONE posts, and then decide how many points EVERY active member gets! why not just cut the whole middle man out and just award someone a rank when and if you think they deserve it? But as I said, this 'aint my fight, so its up to you to decide what you can or can't do. @ LB: Deathmaster Mik is their code monkey, but good luck with tracking him down. The IF Support forums USED to have a MASSIVE archive of codes to customize your board with, but sadly they deleted the entire archive! |
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| The Bearer | Apr 13 2007, 09:49 PM Post #15 |
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I'm really liking all the discussion that is going on, its good to see such a response. In all these responses it tells me one big thing - that I explained it all wrong hahaha. But hey, thats the whole point of proposal and discussion to sort out such things. Its a proposal, with ideas, nothing is official. The examples I gave were nothing more then showing you how they 'could' be used - to demonstrate the concept, so you could conceptually play around with them in your heads and spit out a productive critic. Which you did - whoohoo :P Ranks are probably a horrible word if you look at it in terms of a fuedal system. This is only true in COTEC Mythology cause its a story and a story about Chaos - come on, can any story of Chaos be written with the same warm and comfortable setting we have on forums - no way - in story form we have to be cold hard assed bitches :lol: . In forum terms however, its not about whose boss or whose the most powerful - its about how much COTEC as a whole is thankful for your patronage - because we are - where it not for your post of questions about greater daemons of the undivided, or cheesiest armylist or examples of your paintings COTEC wouldnt exist. When you think about it, if you only had three ranks, bascially for admin, mods and members, then sure you might get satisfaction with what responses you get and who you get to know - but why cant COTEC go that much further and give you recognition for doing all those things you normally do. Having such a simple ranking system of admin, mod and member is safe, but god its boring and COTEC isnt boring hehe! But in these responses there were some very good suggestions like those exclusive ranks. Why not put them in the mix of ranks we already have too. Its a great idea and again is COTEC recognising your efforts in the best possible way it can. But recognition shouldnt be limited and some people really wouldnt want to be labelled as a master scribe or whatever, since they might not want that responsibility. As for history status stuff - why not just immortalise it instead of just having to remember it. These ranks or titles, arent so much a status symbol as it is a sign of kinship between yourself and COTEC. What I'm trying to say by these titles is that you should wear them proudly, that each new title you attain is something that you should know is because COTEC as a whole is recognising you as a valuable member who we do appreciate and appreciate your contributions in however many ways. When new members come here, they should feel that same warm atmosphere that all of us here feel and look at those members of a higher rank as role models and as examples that COTEC does hold its members in a very high regard and is prepared to give back what you give to it. That just because your new, its doesnt mean you have feel initimated because the ranks we have on COTEC arent the normal ranks you'd be use to everywhere else. As for spammers, we dont really have them here as people have already mentioned, if we did our Archlords would be hunting them down as we speak. Why would that change under the new title/ranking system. This then goes onto the whole quality post issue, everyone is a quality poster until you start spamming - thats why you get a post count added to yoru name or your butt kicked by the Archlords. And no one should be alarmed by this, because this spamming and butt kicking policy is already in place. The idea of awarding post counts, was not meant to be something that was dished out too easily - otherwise it would loose its meaning. Rewards should be issued for outstanding reasons and most of the time would only be awarded for involvement in projects. Outstanding posting would be hard to award, but it is very possible since most outstanding post would draw lots of attention anyway and have the archlords scanning them as they already do. However, this is something that still needs more discussion. Remember COTEC is out to prove to everything that we are the best Chaos site around. We will only get there by continually innovating and exploring new ideas, especially with ideas of great potential. So please before you destroy the idea, we should really look into this and try and come out of it with something that is very COTEC i.e. god damn good - and not normal - normals boring - so not COTEC! |
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