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Hand of Hashut; The Chaos Star: We need a new member
Topic Started: May 23 2007, 10:04 PM (953 Views)
The Bearer
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The Chaos Star was designed as a hub to thouse the biggest Chaos communities of Mortals, Daemons, Beast and Dwarves. In addition to this creating a greater sense of community and building closer ties between our sites was also a big goal that required committment and effort.

However, the Hand of Hashut has done none of this. They are a member, but there is not even a mention of the Chaos Star or its associates on their site. It has been months since their induction and by agreement between its current members has agreed to put a vote forward whether it should be replaced.

The replacement would be Chaos Dwarf Online, where its future with COTEC and DL looks very promising.

So the vote is simple - do we keep Hand of Hashut or replace them
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S'tan
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Although I'm not involved as much as I could be (and to some extent like to be), I say the beardy ones are given another chance. A serious reminder and if they still don't change...

To be honest, I don't really know who should be answering this and maybe my post here is utter spam and should be deleted asap (If it is so i'm really sorry :) ), but I still felt like adding my 0.02€. Especially now, during the GW campaign, chaos is going to need all the friends it can get.
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end of mankind
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I'd say get rid of them. If another forum is more likely to create closer ties with the Star, then they are most obviously the better candidate. Since the Hand has not taken any action to even acknowledge their involvement with the Star, they're not worthy of the cause.
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The Flying Beaver
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Chaos Dwarf Online is a forum which I'm an admin at, so I'm obviously in favour of this. I've spoken with Trogdor of the DL, who also agree with it.

Chaos Dwarf Online, in my opinion, is far more appropriate to be on the Chaos Star than HoH is. As a forum it's more active, has better contributions and events, and is more aesthetically pleasing. The admin/moderating team is actually active on CDO, whereas Tim on Hand of Hashut is almost never there. In addition, CDO has a main website and a Chaos Dwarf wiki. I believe that as a forum we're more "elite" than HoH is, and thus are more worthy of the place on the Chaos Star. If you want to see for yourself, follow the link in my signature.

I look forward to working with COTEC and TDL, and getting the Herdstone to finally join.
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Lord Marixis
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Whatever suits COTEC best, we do. I've checked out both CDO and HoH, and I must admit that Beaver has a point. In my opinion, the Chaos Star would be better off with Chaos Dwarf Online than Hand of Hashut as its Chaos Dwarf representative.

But that's not to say that we should simply sever all of our ties with HoH. We should at least try to remain on good terms with them, even if we drop them from the Star. Burning bridges never did anyone much good. ;)
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Gorgoth The Mighty
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I dont even think there should really be a question here, if one forum wants to work with us, then go ahead.

As long as HoH doesn't mind... That is really the only thing I would suggest. Talk to them first. (Or if you have, I must have misunderstood a previous post, sorry)
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brownmccoy
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I would say ditch them... Pick up a forum that will recognize the chaos star.
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The Flying Beaver
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HoH has two main people in charge- Tim (Tcolonna) and Grimstonefire. Tim is almost never online and would honestly never notice their being removed from the Star. Grimstonefire is also an admin at CDO so doesn't care either way.
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Valtiel
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I think we should try and stay friends with Hand of Hashut but if they don't want to have anything to do with the Chaos Star I think we should switch HoH out with CDO. As far as I can see on the two sites CDO seems a better choice as Beaver pointed out.
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snyggejygge
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Personally I don´t care, I´m not a member on any of those forums, I enjoy watching their models & sometimes reading about their armylists (more because I want to know the enemy should I face them, rather than wanting to play w. them), but I´m not interested enough to join.
If HOD don´t advertise the Chaos star, then change it to someone who will, besides beaver is a great member here, so I guess he could persuade more mebers here to join there & the other way around.
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The Flying Beaver
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Taking HoH off the Chaos Star would in no way be seen as unfriendly.

1) They didn't participate in the Chaos Star, so can't really complain about not being on it now.

2) We get along just fine with other non-chaos star forums. When I was the admin of The Grand Alliance I didn't become unfriendly with COTEC because I didn't get it on the Star.

3) This is the big one. Very few people on HoH even know what the Chaos Star is, and of those handful of people, even less care. The members of HoH were never told about the Chaos Star by Tim, and wouldn't know what we're talking about if(when ;)) they're told that they're not on it anymore. Cutting of this "alliance" with HoH would go unnoticed because few HoH members even knew that they were in it.
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norwegian nerd
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If they werent participating in the chaos star why should they bee in it.

Whos the beast forum in the star??
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The Flying Beaver
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It'll be the Herdstone once I can get a hold of Stormwolf and remind him to join up. The forum membership there supports joining the Star.
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The Bearer
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No one forum "owns" the Chaos Star and its membership is exclusivley reserved for the best of the best. To that end, it is a democratic decision if a single member of the star is to be replaced because the Chaos Star is about show casing the best. HOH is clearly falling off in presenting the best compared to CDO and the benefits for both COTEC and DL would make it a good business decision - at the very least.

Thus far the current members are COTEC, DL and HOH with no rep for the beastmen forum just yet. The vote to replace HOH as the chaos dwarf rep has been made clear. Which means the final decision will rest with COTEC, so far this is looking like the replacement by CDO of HOH will take place.

In saying that however, no forum is ever safe from being replaced on the Chaos Star even COTEC. Should another mortal site come along that is better then us, then again democratic vote by all other members could oust us. This is only fair as agreeing to join the Chaos Star is an agreement to be able to say - "You are the best mortal, daemon, dwarf or beast site on the net to date".

If HOH is replaced within the Chaos Star ties will not be severed, but from the total lack of support or recognition of HOH I think their removal will go by without notice.

The end of Sunday this topic will be closed and our vote cast.
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Master Vampire
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I've seen this topic some days ago and have since then pondered what the Chaos Star really is. It might be that I don't frequent chaotic fora a lot, but what do you guys do within the Star? Are you doing fun competitions, have links to each other, etc?

Because as far as I have seen you guys aren't really doing anything as a group. Just saying 'we belong to the Chaos Star' and that's it. That's maybe why HoH doesn't do much, along with their inactive admin.

But yes, I have to agree that Chaos Dwarf Online is a promising community.

Cheers,
-MV
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