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A little question about frenzy..
Topic Started: Aug 1 2007, 06:27 AM (432 Views)
The Avenger
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The Chosen
Now, I just read the "new" Errata and FAQ, and read the stuff about Frenzy.. GW said that since Frenzy only affect the rider/crew and mount, Khorne chariot steeds won't be affected.. But what I get from this, is that Knight-steeds still get that extra attack.. But I've been told that no khorne-steeds get frenzied :huh: What is right? That the knight steeds get frenzied and not the chariot-steeds, or none of them?

Please help B)
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snyggejygge
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Normally both the steeds of the chariot & the knightīshorse would get frenzy, but due to the wording in the Chaos book it only affects riders, so the answer to your question is: No frenzied steeds on neither chariots or knights.

Itīs quite stupid that GW kept it this way, but I donīt think they had even thought about Khornate chosen knights when they re-wrote the rule so I can understand why they wanted to keep them in check...

But note however if you have the Black maul & rides a steed/chariot, the steeds will get to be frenzied as well, as this item has normal wording & no stupid reminder text from 6:th edition to blame it on.
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Skyldig
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snyggejygge
Aug 1 2007, 06:33 AM
No frenzied steeds on neither chariots or knights.

That is so stupid too.


I don't see ANY other old army book being able to overrule the new 7th ed rules, but apparently, if it has to be exceptions, better cripple chaos a bit more.

Alo of players do play with that khorne knight steeds gets frenzy, as per the actual rules.
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The Avenger
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snyggejygge
Aug 1 2007, 06:33 AM
..due to the wording in the Chaos book it only affects riders...

you sure? I don't have the armybook here with me, but I think I remember it says
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Regiment of Khorne: The unit becoms frenzied and blablabla dispel dice...

And I think that the horses are a part of the unit? :huh: :P
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snyggejygge
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The unit is subject to frenzy. Remember that ridden creatures do not get an additional Attack if their riders is frenzied. In addition, its presence on the battlefield adds one dice to the playerīs Dispel dice pile.


(same thing about the chariot, saying that creatures pulling a chariot donīt get an additional attack).

Now this is imo bullshit, because those few words are only a reminder to the 6:th edition rules of frenzy, but for some stupid reason our book overrides the rules even though its just a reminder & not even a rule. Weīll have to live w. it though & to be honest itīs not a big deal, we didnīt get worse or anything, other frenzied creatures just got better huzzah, how fair.
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Chaotica
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Cripple Chaos a little more? If you think Chaos is crippled, you should ask yourself how good a general you are.
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snyggejygge
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I have no problems winning w. Chaos, in fact I only lose about one in ten games, but then again Iīm a very experienced player (12+ years playing & a lot of tournament play), but one has to be honest, it isnīt the best army out there like it used to be, the "legend of the all powerful Chaos" isnīt true anymore, Lizardmen, Bretonnians, New Empire & Wood Elves are all more powerful armies than Chaos, just look at all the tournament results. I just get annoyed when people complain about an army that imo is one of the best balanced armies out there along w. greenskins & Vampire Counts.

I do not think however that GW did this ruleschange just to cripple Chaos, why they let an old wording overrule the rulebook is weird, but maybe had to be done considering how much RAW matters now. But it is still a very viable army & if used correctly it atleast stands a decent chance against any army out there, besides I do not think that a single model that costs about 55 pts (chosen upgrade & mark included) should have 5 attacks anyway, I prefer a balanced army rather than an overpowering one that everyone complains about, I do not want a return back to the old days of herohammer (even though it seems to be heading that way, w. more specialcharacters & putting them in the normal armylist, encouraging people to use them).
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The Avenger
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yes, the time when all feared Chaos is now long gone :( but yes, it's still a good army, but in my experience not a tournament winner..

anyway, now I know for sure that the steeds don't get frenzied..

Thanks B)
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