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Great Weapons and Chariots; Latest WD has me going WTF?
Topic Started: Oct 30 2007, 07:53 PM (366 Views)
Tammil Augrimm
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The Change Chosen

Ok, I was perusing the latest White Dwarf magazine reading over the High Elf Design Notes (written by army book author Adam Troke) when something caught my eye (beyond the silliness that is the current rules for high elves anyways...).

When discussing the Lion Chariot of Chrace, Adam stated that the chariot had 4 S5 attacks (lions) and 2 S6 attacks(crew). He then went on about placing Korhil (some special character I assume) in a chariot, stating that he would also strike at S6.

Now the crew consists of a pair of White Lions (S4) armed with Great Weapons. Now I'd always assumed that models mounted in chariots followed the mounted rules for weapons (+1 strength for charging spears, and only a +1 strength from great weapons), but this seems to contradict this....


Am I wrong in believing that all mounted models, be they mounted on steed, chariot, or monster, only get +1 strength from Great Weapons, or is it only cavalry mounted models?
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snyggejygge
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No all mounted models only get +1S, this was a mistake from his side, it has been brought up on atleast 3 other warhammer forums, the discussions has been quite wild, talking about that the games developers donīt know their own rules & stuff, meaning that some models would have different pointscost etc. etc.

Not sure what to think about it, one would think that they should know stuff like this, & even if one guy doesnīt, then someone else should have pointed it out before it got to print...
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Tammil Augrimm
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I was at my local GW today and I was talking to the regular store guy there.

He says that crew/characters in chariots don't actually count as being mounted.

Basically he pointed to the crew in combat section in the rules as said that because it says that the crew "fight as normal" using their initiative, weaponskill and strength, they count as being on foot.
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Chaotica
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Warrior of the Chamber
When GW says I get +2 I am so going to wield GW bearing Chariot of Fire riding Tomb Kings again.
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Tammil Augrimm
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Yeah, but his opionion really isn't backed up in the rules.

Not that GW hasn't gone down that rode before....
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snyggejygge
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Ooh a GW employe who thinks he knows the rules, seriously, if I were ever listening to the guys at the nearest GW or hobbystore, I would be corrected about the rules all the time.

The only time a model inside a chariot (which hasnīt been destroyed yet) counts as being on foot & therefore getting +2 S for a GW is when he is a character in a challenge, because it says quite clearly that he goes off the chariot...
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Tammil Augrimm
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Agreed. I even mentioned that to him. He simply wouldn't be convinced otherwise though, calling me a "rules lawyer" because I asked him to show me where it said that models mounted in chariots count as being on foot.
So models in a chariots can't use 2 hand weapons, orcs in chariots don't benefit from their choppa rules, spears in chariots benefit from the mounted rules, but if you're using a GW then for some reason you count as being on foot?!
Better a rules lawyer than a munchkin in my books. ^_^
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Kormak
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actually snygg i believe that is 6th ed, in 7th ed it says nothing about getting off the chariot, what happens now is that crew just stand about and steed fight in the challenge. So sadly sounds like the guy your playing is a idiot and needs taking outside for a swift kicking ;)
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snyggejygge
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Youīre right, I havenīt played w. characters inside chariots at all during 7:th edition, so I needed to re-read the rules, obviously you still only get +1S though as it clearly says the steeds & chariot counts as a mount...
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