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Shaggoths vs. Giants
Topic Started: Nov 20 2009, 10:31 PM (2,132 Views)
Soulcaresser
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I would also go fore the giant.

Think of the special attack that he can make!
Jump up and down and you have allready 2D6 attacks.
Think of the Chomp attack and he regains a mere D3 wounds!
Or the swing with club wich is handy fore most type of cavalery or infantry.

And as said before by other members on the forum with the mark of Slaanesh you get also strike first rule!
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BurnArt the Ravenbane
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Funny thing is when Giant rolls 'chomp' he inflicts D3 wounds and regenerates the number he inflitcts,meaning he can bite something but not kill it and still heal itself. But when it rolls 'pick up and...' and then 'eat' he just gobbles the vitim down,no matter the wounds,but doesn't heal anything :D
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Kraytirous
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Yeah, that's true. I have a question, would a giant be able to 'pick up and' a model on a Daemonic Mount?
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BurnArt the Ravenbane
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It actually depends on the mount's base. If it is a cavalry model,ie 25mmx50mm base, than yes,since they only have one wound also. But if the base is bigger thet they count among 'big things' in Giant's table,and there's no 'pick up and...' result there.

Most of the times I saw it,all Demonic Mounts ware using Ogre's bases,except for some old Steed of Slaanesh models.

Ona side note, the subject of basing Demonic Mounts is a tough one and discussed many times,but remember that this thread is about Giant versus Shaggoth - if you want to discuss bases for mounts again find one about that or start one.
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ulo
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The answer is quite simple yes he would.

Since the WoC clearly states that any of the mounts including deamonic should be treated as cavalry mount even if not on the same base size. So it does count as a normal cavalry mount for those aspects.
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Kraytirous
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Alright, then. Back on topic. Giant rules! :D
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ulo
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I think both the Giant and Shaggoth have their uses!

I had a great sucess with a Shaggoth once sucessfully baiting Blood Knights and then Flank charge, totally destroyed the Knights :P.

However I think the Giant is better overall since it can handle more type of troops. The biggest ace for the Giant over the Shaggoth is the Stubborn in my oppinion.

If the Shaggoth would have been stubborn on atleast LD8 prefer 9 then it would have been ALOT better. As it is know it simply doesnt hack it vs rank and file troops. However it can easily devestate a knight regiment if getting the charge!

Also I think both of them are overpriced sadly. If they would have been down to 200 points they would have been sweet as honey! Now well sadly wont see many lists :(.

Just my 2 cents.
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Da Crusha
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sorry to jump on the band wagon but I have to say I prefer the giant w/ MoS over the shaggoth anyday, the giant is just a lot more appealing.... but the shaggoth model rocks!
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InsideReticle
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I'm throwing two shaggoths in my lists after their test performance. They ripped up the table together. Yeah it's a lot of points, but it's a lot of points that don't seem to die when the opponent has to worry about two of them.

'Course two giants would clearly be better, which is sad because they just don't look as cool.
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ken.stubbs
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Possibly not the right place to ask but what is so great about large monster movement? They are large so have fewer line of sight issues but can they manuever in some different fashion? Do they get march blocked? Do the shaggoth and giant move in the same way?
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InsideReticle
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Monsters can pivot freely at any point during a regular (or march) movement, and can pivot once for free during a charge, making them very maneuverable. Their slightly smaller base frontage makes them able to avoid or hit specific models base-to-base.

Giants/Shaggoths/All monsters have those benefits.
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bakalla
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I suppose a Slaanesh giant is generally more useful. But the randomness of the attacks also means it's quite useless sometimes, not all of the attacks are good! The biggest drawback of the Shaggoth is obviously the huge point cost (which seems overpriced, especially when compared to a hydra, for example) and also the fact that with 5/6 attacks, it's possible it will miss all of them and lose against zombies...

I've been considering trying out a list with BOTH the Shaggoth and a Slaanesh giant! The list also has a Daemon Prince with diabolic splendor and an Exalted of khorne on juggernaut with Banner of the Gods! That's 4 terror causers, nasty close combat monsters and many prime targets for any cannons/helblasters/RBT or whatever. I'm sure it's not overly powerful in practice, but i know i would personally get VERY worried if my enemy deployed a Giant with Daemon prince on one flank and a Shaggoth with khorne BSB on the other flank (the BSB with stubborn banner also makes the shaggoth a LOT more powerful...) Just a thought

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Godless-Mimicry
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No' 9

A Shaggoth is overpriced, but comparing it to a Hydra is a bad comparison since the Hydra is vastly underpriced.
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TAG
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Not trying to necromance but anyone have any new thoughts given the new edition?
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Rimmz
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Neither. Big things are not worth the points you can get more effective use of your points out of more infantry or trolls or even knights.
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