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| Schultz Chaos | Jun 30 2010, 10:31 PM Post #1 |
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Hello, devotees of our beloved Everchosen! New to the forum, and found it through our friendly neighborhood Warseer! Was an initiate myself there, but moved my hopes of getting help with my army list to this Chamber, after some sort of drought in the counselling. But now I'm here, from Outer Space (As Gloria Gaynor once said) and hoping for new warhammer-contacts and some friendly smiles (mine is here, so count me in)! Well, to the army. I've always been a fan of Chaos. Since I was a smaller snotling I've cheered for the bad guys, and mostly then for the monsters. To say it short; Chaos is bad. And almost everyone has a tentacle or an extra head with horns. I fell in love with the Realm of Chaos books, and that picture of dark grittyness (and once again; monsters) is still a huge inspiration for me. My first Chaos army was started some years before Hordes of Chaos, but then I was at such an unevolved level I could barely cope with the glue and plastics. After Hordes of Chaos I've been a True Beliver (and of many defeats) until they came out with the To-get-by-list in WD before the realese of the WoC-book. It is here in the story that our narritor is struck with sorrow, as he had to move due to his studies, and leave his poor gaming-mates and their coven back in the hometown of Enköping. Now, with a new spirit (and a load of models looking balefully at me) and a new edition to come I've started to restore my followers of the dark gods, and welcome this new era with blood and new defeats. The list itself isn't supposed to be a "tournie-list", but with all the influences from the "big kids" at Warseer, I've tried to make a competitive list but still with the fluff there. Now, when you'll see the list the first thought in your head will be: "What the heck?! Fluff?? Then why does Pornie and Khorny only get spots in the list?" and I pardon for that. When I did the list I was so caught up with the units and forgot about that. So, any help for a better substitute-mark would be welcomed. The list: Heroes ---------------------- 628pts Throgg the Troll King 175pts Exalted Champion, Helm of Many Eyes, Great Weapon, Shield, BSB 168pts Sorcerer, lvl 2 Wizard, Collar of Khorne 145pts Sorcerer, lvl 2 Wizard, Fury of the Blood God 140pts Core ----------------------- 1207pts 30 Chaos Warriors, shields, additional hand weapons, csm, Mark of Slaanesh 550pts 40 Marauders, light armour, great weapons, csm, Mark of Khorne 290pts 10 Warhounds 60pts 10 Marauder Horsemen, flails, light armour, musician, Mark of Khorne 86pts 3 Chaos Trolls 135pts Special ------------ 470pts 7 Chaos Knights, Standard, Musician, Mark of Slaanesh 320pts 3 Chaos Ogres, Great Weapons, Chaos Armour, Mark of Khorne 180pts Rare ------------------- 140pts Warshrine, Mark of Slaanesh 140pts Total: 2499pts The idea for the army is to have two big blocks in the middle, with the warriors led by Throgg, and the Marauders by the Exalted. Behind them will the Warshrine be (Who is honestly a Nurgle shrine in the model, but when the points don't match... : <) and throw sticks and stuff on the infantry. On their flanks I will have trolls and ogres, ready to chop some heads and lend support to the main line. On a far flank my "flank attack" will be used, in the form of the knights and horsemen, who will try to engage the weaker spots in the enemy army and break through them to encircle the enemy and meet up with the infantry in the middle. The mages is there to give me some flavour to the force, and hopefully for some fun spells. Thank you for your time, because if you've read down to this I'm more than happy. See you around, mates! // Schultz |
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| kerill | Jun 30 2010, 11:30 PM Post #2 |
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Welcome to the forum mate!!! I'll post what I think of each unit but do take it with a pinch of salt since all of us plays differently. The list: Heroes ---------------------- 628pts Throgg the Troll King 175pts - Very powerful ths edition Exalted Champion, Helm of Many Eyes, Great Weapon, Shield, BSB 168pts - Your exalted will never be allowed to use the shield in combat this editon- he is forced to use the great weapon so that is 5 points saved. Bear in mind that ASF will cancel ASL so personally I would go for a halberd over a great weapon since it will give you ASF and allow you to re-roll hits against anything I7 or less (i.e. almost everything). You might consider giving im some more protection for combat though since bsbs will be the number targets in this edition. For example instead of halberd you could go for enchanted shield+sword of might. Sorcerer, lvl 2 Wizard, Collar of Khorne 145pts Sorcerer, lvl 2 Wizard, Fury of the Blood God 140pts - MR is always good, are you going for lore of death for sniping? You might consider giving the first level 2 gift of chaos for 5 points to modify warshrine results or a dispel scroll if you are keeping the bug unit of warriors since even with MR some spells will ignore it and need to be stopped for example the last lore of metal spell which will kill 1 third of the unit with no saves. Core ----------------------- 1207pts 30 Chaos Warriors, shields, additional hand weapons, csm, Mark of Slaanesh 550pts --personally I think there are a couple of issues with this unit: i) Its a bit too big. I'm not conviced that CW should be going for horde, I'd rather have them extra choppy and 18 strong (24 with GW). ii) Regardless if you go horde or not halberds are generally a better choice than a/hw against most things. If you do decide to keep the a/hw for coolness/modelsthe armour piercing banner would help a lot. 40 Marauders, light armour, great weapons, csm, Mark of Khorne 290pts - Very nice although the light armour is unlikely to be of any use so if you need 40 points for something else later, here it is. 10 Warhounds 60pts - 2 units of 5 definitely better IMO 10 Marauder Horsemen, flails, light armour, musician, Mark of Khorne 86pts - Definitely not 86 points for these. Maybe you were thinking of 5 horsemen with flails, light armour and musician which does come to 86 points? 3 Chaos Trolls 135pts - Fairly small unit. Nice flanking unit. Special ------------ 470pts 7 Chaos Knights, Standard, Musician, Mark of Slaanesh 320pts 3 Chaos Ogres, Great Weapons, Chaos Armour, Mark of Khorne 180pts - 3 Trolls would be better I think, otherwise this unit needs to be bigger (at least 4) since with ASL you run the risk of losing an ogre before you can strike and losing the subsequent combat. Rare ------------------- 140pts Warshrine, Mark of Slaanesh 140pts - Seems fine, should be much better this edition. Total: 2499pts Incidentally I'm not sure which God the army is meant to be worshipping- Nurgle? |
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| Schultz Chaos | Jul 1 2010, 12:04 AM Post #3 |
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Hello, Kerill! EXALTED: Hmm. Maybe Sword of Might and Enchanted Shield is the way to go. But can you field a BSB with a shield? I've not found any rules for it, and have just went for it cause the model carries one. :/ SORCERERS: For the sorcerers I'm thinking Fire and Death (not been looking to much into the new lore, but of that I do remember they're a kill), as they'll be great for some quick wounds on the enemy. WARRIORS: So maybe one unit with 18 in it? The reason I'm going for the ahw option is that it would be to expensive for my economy to raid Knight parts or buy that bit box with only 10 halberds. Maybe there is a better way to get halberds? MARAUDERS: The problem with this unit (as I would go for flails if I had any) is that my models only have Hand Weapons (which I'll count as GW, cause honestly... The HW are almost as tall as they are..), but noted on the Light Amours WARHOUNDS: Noted! HORSEMEN: Dammit... Forgot to change the point cost for them, they should be 196pts.. But their cost is counted for in the TOTAL CORE cost. TROLLS: I'm letting my Spawn count as trolls, cause I think the rules for the trolls are as good representation for the good ol' spawnies. And the unit looks rather nice! Though I got myself the new River Trolls today, so I could convert Throgg. But don't know how the unit will look with trolls and spawn mixed.. OGRES: Then I'll try to get another Ogre in there. Like the addition of more monsters beside my quite boring Warriors. THE MARKS AND GOD ISSUE: My thought is that the more "barbaric" units in the army will be followers of Khorne, while my Warriors and Knights should be more disciplined and "otherworldy" silent, and therefore followers of the arrogant prince of XXX. :) |
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| popisdead | Jul 3 2010, 03:52 AM Post #4 |
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Chaos Warriors don't need to be horde config. Make your Exalted w/ the Helm your BSB. |
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| Schultz Chaos | Jul 4 2010, 05:36 PM Post #5 |
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Ok! But do you think its good with just one unit of 18 warriors? With the points left I intend to get me 3 more Chaos Trolls. As for the halberd-option, does anyone have a cheap solution for converting these (without having to buy two new kits of knights or the bit-box)? |
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| Schultz Chaos | Jul 5 2010, 03:51 AM Post #6 |
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Edited list. Thanks Kerill! HEROES------------625pts (25%) Throgg the Troll King 175pts Exalted Champion, sword of might, Shield, BSB 160pts Sorcerer, lvl 2 Wizard, Collar of Khorne 145pts Sorcerer, lvl 2 Wizard, Fury of the Blood God 140pts CORE ----------------------- 1182pts (47%) 18 Chaos Warriors, shields, halberds, csm, Mark of Slaanesh 346pts 40 Marauders, great weapons, csm, Mark of Khorne 250pts 5 Warhounds 30pts 5 warhounds 30pts 5 warhounds 30pts 5 warhounds 30pts 10 Marauder Horsemen, flails, light armour, musician, Mark of Khorne 196pts 3 Chaos Trolls 135pts 3 Chaos Trolls 135pts SPECIAL ------------ 550pts (22%) 7 Chaos Knights, Standard, Musician, Mark of Slaanesh 320pts 4 Chaos Ogres, Great Weapons, Chaos Armour, Mark of Khorne 230pts Rare ------------------- 140pts (~6%) Warshrine, Mark of Slaanesh 140pts Total: 2497pts |
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| kerill | Jul 5 2010, 11:13 AM Post #7 |
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HEROES------------625pts (25%) Throgg the Troll King 175pts -fine Exalted Champion, sword of might, Shield, BSB 160pts - which unit will he be in? Could spare 5 points for the stone that re-rolls a failed armour save. Sorcerer, lvl 2 Wizard, Collar of Khorne 145pts -fine, try to spare 5 points to get him the lucky shield. Sorcerer, lvl 2 Wizard, Fury of the Blood God 140pts - fine, as someone mentioned he might get targetted by attacks but this can be mitigated by putting him on the cornerof a unit to some extent if you want to. If he is i the same unit as the other wizard then the MR will not stack so you could drop fury for a power familiar and maybe get an enchanted shield. -- Not convinced marauders need MR since at 5 points per model magic wil primarily directed at the warriors/knights Where are the two sorcerors going? CORE ----------------------- 1182pts (47%) 18 Chaos Warriors, shields, halberds, csm, Mark of Slaanesh 346pts - No magic banner here. I tend to think when you spend 346 points on a unit of warriors a magic banner is a good idea. Rage, war banner or rapturous are all obvious possibilities. Also if you are putting the bsb/sorcerors here you can reduce the number of warriors accordingly saving perhaps 34 points. 40 Marauders, great weapons, csm, Mark of Khorne 250pts - fine 5 Warhounds 30pts 5 warhounds 30pts 5 warhounds 30pts 5 warhounds 30pts -fine 10 Marauder Horsemen, flails, light armour, musician, Mark of Khorne 196pts - I think you need to try this unit out. Vanguard and good deployment may reduce the chance of them getting wiped out first turn by shooting. It depends what you want them to do. Remember for 4 points more you could have a unit of chaos knights. I always ran 5 with flails, light armour and musician (86 points) just for war machine hunting and annoyance. 2 units of annoyance marauders is also 24 points cheaper. I've dropped horsemen from my list in 8th due to step up. 3 Chaos Trolls 135pts 3 Chaos Trolls 135pts - I don't think your battle line is big enough for two flanking units. You could combine them make a unit of five and replace one with Throgg for a tasty main combat unit. Would save 45 points. SPECIAL ------------ 550pts (22%) 7 Chaos Knights, Standard, Musician, Mark of Slaanesh 320pts - fine, could consider the war/rage banner but by no means necessary. 4 Chaos Ogres, Great Weapons, Chaos Armour, Mark of Khorne 230pts - fine Rare ------------------- 140pts (~6%) Warshrine, Mark of Slaanesh 140pts -fine Total: 2497pts |
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