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Khorne lord on juggy; is he viable???
Topic Started: Jul 27 2010, 08:47 PM (1,983 Views)
mcpolle
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Was thinking of how wnderfull this model is, but is he a viable option, at least you have more than a little control over the frenzy, which helps, and with all the nice new shiny magic items, actually have a chance of making a semi good lord,

But, in 8th, don't you really need a lvl 4, to compete???

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Kormak
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To be honest i dont know if you will actually need a lvl 4 to compete, the way i see it is that alot of people will be casting far more of the buff debuff spells rather than direct damage spells simply because of the lower casting values and reducing the risk of a miscaste. If your using a level 4 wizard and you trying to caste these spells with high casting values you are risking a rather substantial points investment. For me i think a level2, MoT with 3rd eye is going to be more than enough. If i had the choice i would just take a exalted hero over a lord however with the 25% rule its very hard to get a wizard, a bsb and normal exalted into that.

Atleast with a chaos lord on a jugger all you really need to be effective in combat is a great weapon and a wardsave, you have great stats at the end of the day and strength 7, 1/4+ save is more than enough to weather most attacks.
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Orangecoke
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I only played one game so far so my experience is limited - but so far he's been awesome :) (including taking out a skink priest and his engine of the gods stegadon). I'm running a mono-god Khorne list with zero wizards in it. To protect him from magic I was using Fury of the Blood god. Here's the build.

Exalted of Khorne
Juggernaut
Shield
Mark of Khorne
Fury of the Blood God

EDIT: bear in mind I had to keep his points in a certain range because it's a 1500 list.
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Kormak
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If he had a great weapon then that would be a pretty good and cost effective hero choice
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JRGumby
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The trouble with monoKhorne with Fury is that you can't do anything to prevent debuffs from crippling him with the changes to MR.

While he's still going to be killy and juggernauts give very good armor saves (and remember they max at 1+, no more 0 or -1s) he will only be able to get LoS rolls off Dragon Ogres.

This means that it's not terribly unlikely that someone could snipe him with relative ease using a warmachine. While he might be more likely to survive a peripheral stonethrower hit, a S10 D3 wounds cannon blow is still going to mess him up.

I think this is the main thing stopping peopel from taking Juggies right now; it's a pretty big risk for a character that you just cannot protect well from template weapons.

I think with the 4+ ward (or 4+ ward vs shooting) items it's still a decent option. And the model sure looks good.
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Kormak
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I have been involved in this discussion on whinesheer about not being able to protect juggers from templates and cannons (no LoS), i actually cant see the logic behind. The whole logic behind it is that the FAQ is wrong and that GW has intentional broken daemonic mounts after fixing them last edition.
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JRGumby
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... they are monsterous cavalry. The BRB is very very clear you have to be same troop type to benefit from LoS. The Rulebook FaQ even clarifies 1W MC stay MC.

I have no idea how you can even argue otherwise, where's the justification come from. Where do you claim the FaQ allows such a roll?
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Kormak
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Pretty simply

FAQ states you only use the BRB for unit type if your army book dosnt include, please turn to page 54, read the bold letters and all will become clear.
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Godless-Mimicry
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Except 'cavalry mount' is no longer a unit type, just 'cavalry' (and yes in 7th cavalry mount and cavalry was a distinction, one being just the mount while the other being mount and rider). There's a very good reason why the Juggernaut was listed as MC in the RBRB (pointless otherwise).
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Kormak
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please do tell
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nas
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I'm going to have to side with Kormak on this one. I've also been following that thread assuming that you're Logan @ warseer.

Apparently a juggernaut in DOC counts as Monstrous Cavalry while a juggernaut in WOC counts as a cavalry model.
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Goodspawn
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It was mentioned that he'd get LoS rolls from Dragon Ogres. If this is true, does anyone think this would be a viable option? Sounds like that would be one hell of a wrecking ball unit, no?
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Kormak
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nas
Jul 28 2010, 01:37 AM
I'm going to have to side with Kormak on this one. I've also been following that thread assuming that you're Logan @ warseer.

Apparently a juggernaut in DOC counts as Monstrous Cavalry while a juggernaut in WOC counts as a cavalry model.

Yes i am ;) i have come to the conclusion that arging about rules on the internet is a bad idea, i just end up wanting to slap someone.
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Lungboy
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Jul 28 2010, 06:02 AM
Except 'cavalry mount' is no longer a unit type, just 'cavalry' (and yes in 7th cavalry mount and cavalry was a distinction, one being just the mount while the other being mount and rider). There's a very good reason why the Juggernaut was listed as MC in the RBRB (pointless otherwise).

"Cavalry mount" is covered on p104 of the BRB: "If a character has a cavalry mount, the whole model is treated as having the troop type 'cavalry' and follows all the rules for both character and cavalry models."
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Godless-Mimicry
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Right so simple question; why does the RBRB say the Juggernaut is a Monstrous Beast???
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