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Khorne lord on juggy; is he viable???
Topic Started: Jul 27 2010, 08:47 PM (1,984 Views)
Lungboy
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Jul 30 2010, 09:53 PM
Where in the rulebook does it say infantry riding infantry becomes cavalry?

p104: "Therefore, if a character is riding a mount with a single Wound, he is riding a cavalry mount. If a character has a cavalry mount, the whole model is treated as having the troop type 'cavalry' and follows all the rules for both characters and cavalry models."
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Kormak
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Jul 28 2010, 11:59 AM
Right so simple question; why does the RBRB say the Juggernaut is a Monstrous Beast???

Who knows, completion, copy pasted the DoC stats, maybe its designed with the next Mortal book, who really knows, we could all list a million reasons of speculation as to why GW does anything.
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It doesn't say 1 wound mounts become cavalry, it says cavalry mounts have one wound and so definitively speaking a hero on a one wound mount is cavalry. This is horribly worded and a stupid inclusion, and I can see the ambiguity, but it doesn't say they become cavalry. I think it is a fair assumption that since WoC is the only army (that I can recall) that has none cavalry mounts with a single wound, that when writing that paragraph that Mr. Ward simply forgot that there are a few exceptions to the norm. Of course this isn't a great argument to put forward in an in-game dispute, but it needs to be said.

I agree Kormak, waiting for the FAQ to be updated is the best bet, in fact, as a Chaos community might we be on the money to try and put the question of Chaos mount types to GW ourselves?
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Kormak
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Jul 30 2010, 06:21 PM
Mr. Ward simply forgot that there are a few exceptions to the norm

personally i think its this simple, Mr Kelly hates chaos, plain and simple :(
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Kormak
Jul 30 2010, 06:38 PM
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Jul 30 2010, 06:21 PM
Mr. Ward simply forgot that there are a few exceptions to the norm

personally i think its this simple, Mr Kelly hates chaos, plain and simple :(

What's Phil Kelly got to do with the RBRB?
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Kormak
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I thought he had a hand in its creation, i bet he had a hand in the steed rules!
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Nope, all Phil Kelly did was write all the background sections; only Alessio and Matt Ward had any doing in the rules side of things.
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Dracos
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Where in the heck can you find a Palanquin or a Dreadnought other than as a mount?

I know BRB switches are a pain, but this is ridiculous. Someone back at GW HQ needs to pull their head out their arse and find someone with a ounce of common sense and get this crap straightned out.

I play with a Juggie and the damn thing obviously is a monstrous cavalry model. Sucks for me boohoo :rock:
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Kormak
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It says at the back of the BRB, it has everything listed, all i can say is i really hope they dont decide to FAQ/Errata it a MC, i spent alot of time converting and painting mine for 8th ed and i want to use it. With the new army selection rules you know your always going to see two cannons in a army with access to them, templates dont really concern me as much simple because it just has to scatter a few inches and it ant going to be doing a whole lot.
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Urdokadin
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Hrmm, looking at the BRB FAQ i'm wondering if we still can still benefit from having the juggie push us negative since they faqed it, so we could still have a 1+ AS even after being hit by higher str attacks?

Page 43 – Saving Throws
Change the third paragraph to “Note that a save of any kind
can never be better than 1+. This does not prevent a model
having items or special rules that would take the save even
lower, it simply caps the saving throw at 1+. Also, remember
that a roll of 1 is always a failure.”
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Unuhexium
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What it seems to imply is that you can still take items that improve your armour in addition to other effects, such as Charmed Shield and Dragonhelm. Otherwise we'd have people arguing that you cannot take Charmed Shield or Dragonhelm because your Sv is already 1+.
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Kormak
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My take is you can have items that improive you save past a 1+ however the actual save is capped at a 1+
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Essentially that clarification is there for two reasons; one of these has been covered by Unuhexium. The other by my reckoning is to clarify you can have these items incase one gets destroyed, or a mount gets killed.
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Lungboy
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Indeed. Str modifiers will work from 1+ though, so if you essentially have a -1 save and get hit with a str4 attack, you will be at 2+, not still at 1+. If it worked as Urdokadin suggests, then there would be no point in even mentioning the cap as it would be doing nothing at all.
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Lungboy
Aug 1 2010, 02:05 PM
Indeed. Str modifiers will work from 1+ though, so if you essentially have a -1 save and get hit with a str4 attack, you will be at 2+, not still at 1+. If it worked as Urdokadin suggests, then there would be no point in even mentioning the cap as it would be doing nothing at all.

I agree with you here.
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