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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 10 2010, 11:19 AM (761 Views) | |
| Goodspawn | Sep 10 2010, 11:19 AM Post #1 |
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Hey guys, I was thinking of throwing a chariot in the army for my BSB, but had a few questions. In regards to the marking, it says it can't have a different mark then the BSB, but can it have no mark if the BSB has one? I was planning on giving him MoS so he'd have an easier time charging at monsters and things like that, along with the Razor Standard so that (I think) the crew, impact hits and steeds are all armour piercing? I was also considering giving him the armour to make him Immune to Pysche. However, I wasn't really clear on that rule whether if a hero could give it to the entire unit, or if it had to be the majority of models for an entire unit to be Immune to Pysche. Otherwise, what are your guys opinions? BSB riding a chariot to hopefully combo charge, or BSB footsloggin' with the warriors? I've given my two warrior units banners of their own (Blasted and Rage), so they'll have some magical support either way. |
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| Neverchosen | Sep 10 2010, 12:52 PM Post #2 |
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I have a hard time fitting the chariot into my character allotment. I haven't had a lot of luck with my chariots either. Maybe they would do better if they had a tooled up exalted on board and the +1CR from the bsb can't hurt. Maybe give him the Crown of Command. Try it out and let us know how it goes. P.S. I almost always prefer to leave my bsb in a unit safe and sound (mostly). |
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| Rimmz | Sep 10 2010, 12:57 PM Post #3 |
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The chariot must have the same mark as the character. No mark is not the same as a mark. So the Chariot must still be marked. |
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| Sawdust | Sep 10 2010, 03:22 PM Post #4 |
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If you buy your BSB a chariot mount, and you mark him, you don't have to upgrade with those extra points for markin a chariot. If the character has a chariot mount, the mark would affect the whole model as a normal mount would. So you just pay ofr the Exalted, the Mark and the chariot mount + equipment and magic stuff. |
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| Goodspawn | Sep 11 2010, 03:42 AM Post #5 |
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Thanks guys! I'm not too sure here because we have one person saying yes and one person saying no! Both seem to make sense, anyone else to break the tie? I guess the best thing to do, if nothing else, would just ask the manager at the store to see what their policy would be on it? I'll give it a spin tactically maybe and see what happens. >: ) |
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| Kraytirous | Sep 11 2010, 07:40 AM Post #6 |
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Uh... Psychology is no longer passed onto mounts. So technically, the Mark of Khorne would not make your Chariot frenzied. Another interesting note, your character only gains +1 to their armor save from the Chariot, as it is considered in every way a monstrous mount. Weird, isn't it? |
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| Sawdust | Sep 12 2010, 12:01 AM Post #7 |
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@Kraytirous: Can you please give me the page where it says that psychology does not pass on to mounts? I seem to have missed it :P You see the only thing I've read is that the model with frenzy, whether it be the character or mount, is the only of the two who actually gets the extra attack. But when you buy a mount, the mount will also be a part of the model and will also gain the extra attack granted from frenzy. I believe it's the same with chariot mounts. |
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| Rimmz | Sep 12 2010, 12:46 AM Post #8 |
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Except if you have a character on a chariot the chariot has to have the same mark (paragraph under the chariot entry in the army list in the WoC book) So if a character with the MoK is riding a chariot the Chariot will also have to have the MoK giving it Frenzy. Although that mark will only give 1 extra attack to the rider. So a chariot mount for a character with the MoK would cost 130 pts not 100. |
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| Sawdust | Sep 12 2010, 04:33 AM Post #9 |
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Ok. S the Chariot costs 130 pts if giving it to a hero with MoK. But then the whole model will have frenzy, not just the drivers but also the steeds because it doesn't say anywhere that the MoK is just for the drivers. All in all you get a driver with 3 attacks and two steeds with 2 attacks each. |
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| Rimmz | Sep 12 2010, 02:21 PM Post #10 |
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Unless stated otherwise Frenzy does not affect mounts. The horses are still the "mount" for the remaining rider. The logic that something works one way because it doesn't say that it doesn't is a stupid argument. That's like saying a Ward save works on a dragon mount too because it doesn't say that it doesn't. Read the rules on Frenzy again. |
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| Sawdust | Sep 12 2010, 05:40 PM Post #11 |
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I think what we are discussing here is a matter of interpretation. It says under cavalry that only the element with the Frenzy special rule gains the extra attack. If you buy MoK for, lets say Knights, I would say that the whole model is affacted by it, not just the rider because it does not say anywhere that it doesn't. In addition it says under the Knights options that the unit may have MoK. And I think that the mounts are still part of the unit, not just the riders, which means that both elements gains the extra attack rule. But after this answer I think we are still disagreeing with each other :P |
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| Goodspawn | Sep 12 2010, 10:48 PM Post #12 |
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I think the MoK example makes things a bit more sticky because it deals with extra attacks. I'm more so wondering about MoS. If the character on the chariot has MoS, but the chariot doesn't, what happens if its charged by a terror causer, or charges a unit causing fear? Would the crew/steed have to make fear tests to see if their attacks are dropped to WS one? Would the crew make a leadership test to see if they flee, or would it be on the character (whom is now immune to such effects?) Or if something panics nearby and the character is fine due to MoS, does this mean he can still potentially be dragged away because the chariot flees? This can kind of be related to the MoK/mount thing, as if a knight is frenzied his mount doesn't get an extra attack, but the entire model is considered immune to pysche, right? The mount doesn't have to make a terror check to see if it takes off, which would then cause the immune to pysche knight/rider to be technically fleeing as well? Does that clarify things or make things more confusing? Maybe I should just find the points to get MoS on the chariot too... |
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| Godless-Mimicry | Sep 13 2010, 04:21 AM Post #13 |
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If the majority of a unit has the ItP rule then the whole unit counts as having it. Since the character is 50% of the model I'd say that's not the majority and so doesn't pass it on. |
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| Roark | Sep 16 2010, 01:30 PM Post #14 |
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Wrong wrong wrong, dude. That is not what the chariot entry says in the army list. It says that a "character may not have a different mark from his chariot". Therefore a marked character can have an unmarked chariot. And an unmarked character can have a marked chariot. "Unmarked" is not even a mark, let alone a different mark. I'm sorry, but everything you have said about this is just plain wrong. |
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| Neverchosen | Sep 19 2010, 01:19 AM Post #15 |
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On the subject of immune to psychology, if you look at page 86 in the brb you will see a heading called Chariots and Special Rules. This will then guide you too page 82. on page 82 there is a heading called Cavalry and Special Rules. If I am reading this correctly it states that if rider or mount has immune to psychology then both benefit from this special rule. Page 124 Warriors of Chaos book only says that a character with a chariot must have the same mark not that it has to be marked. On the subject of marking the chariot with frenzy. On page 86 of the brb under split profile it states that the beast and crew (not counting characters) are treated as a single model. Does this mean the chariot gains a single +1 attack or do the beasts and crew each gain +1. I think this needs to be FAQ'ed I can"t find anything in the brb or faq's that address this. Unless the section under Chariots and Special Rules is implying that the beasts pulling the chariot count as mounts for the crew. |
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