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The Immortals
Topic Started: Oct 11 2010, 09:21 PM (344 Views)
PlasmaMike
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Hi all,

So I placed 4th in the last round of 'Ard boys, and there's a chance I might get invited to the final round since the 3rd place guy might not be able to go. The list below is a variation on the one I used in the second round and it did very well for me. This one I think is even nastier. All comments and criticism welcome.

Valkia

Throgg

Lvl 2 MoT
Favor of the gods
Enchanted shield
Infernal puppet
Sopoforic Musk

9 Trolls

8 Trolls

21 Chosen
Full Command
MoT
Halberds & shields
Banner of rage

20 Chosen
Full Command
MoT
Halberds & shields
Armor piercing standard

3 warshrines

~3000 points

The list is just barely legal, with 25.5% core, and exactly 35% special. It is in no way supposed to be comp friendly, in the spirit of Ard Boys.

The idea is to nearly guarantee both chosen units to get the 3+ ward and stubborn. The wizard and Valkia both start the game in the smaller chosen unit. They get their intial rolls on eye of the gods at the beginning of the game, and then all three shrines target them the first turn. With 4 rolls on the eye of the gods, the +/-1 from the wizards FotG, and rerolls from Valkia I am pretty much guaranteed to get the ward save. In the second turn the wizard moves to the other unit and again we use his FotG to try and get the ward save there, though it's not as certain since I will only have their initial EotG plus two warshrines.

This takes care of Valkia's lacking a ward save problem as long as I don't get the ward save on the chosen's initial roll. Once I have the ward save, the chosen are nearly invincible. Throgg and his trolls are also a force to be reckoned with, as I am sure most of you are aware.

The only problem I have found is finding worthy targets to bring these huge units to bare against. I am also guessing dwellers/purple suns could be a problem, but I've not had to face them yet.
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guardian angel
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PlasmaMike
Oct 11 2010, 09:21 PM
Lvl 2 MoT
Favor of the gods
Enchanted shield
Infernal puppet
Sopoforic Musk

Just noticed that this guy is illegal: he has 55pts worth of magic gear! The enchanted shield cost is taken from the WoC army book, NOT the BRB, hence why he's over.

Apart from that I have to say this is the nastiest WoC list I think I have ever seen. It takes all the fun out of the game for me.

However, I guess that's the point of 'ard boys!

Good luck :)
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PlasmaMike
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Crap. really? 5 points for an additional 3 points of save did seem a little too cheap.... Guess I'll just have to depend on getting that ward save.

No other opinions? Is this too hard for even ard boys?
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dragonhardt24
The Chosen
Give him the Charmed Shield for 5 points. At least he'll have a shield that way. I love it to be honest. 4 massive units of terrible walking across the board at you is scary. Just curious, are you running your trolls 3x3?

Oh! Another combo that I've been using lately is a lvl 2 MoT wizard with the arcane staff? It's the one that gives him +1 to dislpell. Basically he's +3 to cast and +3 to dispell...I thought it was a pretty good deal and I've had a lot of success with it. I'm running a lord on a dragon at 3k points and have just been facerolling people with that list. But I needed some reliable magic defense for cheap and he's worked out well against Ogres (meh) and 2 lvl 2's from DEs. But your wizard is pretty awful too.
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PlasmaMike
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That's a good idea. What's the charm shield do? I don't have my main book handy.

I've been keeping the trolls 4x2 usually. I don't think the extra rank is worth losing the attacks.
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dragonhardt24
The Chosen
Charmed shield is a normal shield and on a 2+ you ignore the first HIT in a combat, 1 use only. It's still a shield so he'd be at 3+/3+ after the warshrine loving. I would rather have the +3 to dispell all the time than HOPE my opponent miscast, still eat the spell and then HOPE I can kill them by MAYBE adjusting it enough to kill the wizard. With that guy, I can usually pick 1-2 nasty spells a turn and stop them.

The only thing you're going to have to watch out for are all those spells that say "no saves of any kind" allowed. Once you get into combat, you're generally okay though. Aside from those few spells those are rough units to deal with.

You know, you could bounce Valkia over to the larger unit of warriors 2nd turn to have a better chance at greatness. Although...her being frenzied could be a mixed blessing. Last thing you want her doing is flying out of the unit at something stupid.
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PlasmaMike
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I really think infernal puppet is one of the best items in the game. If I get gateway and 3+ ward on the chosen unit he's in, i can pretty much cast the spell on 6 dice and not worry about the miscast.

Then there's the chance to knock of an enemy wizard when they miscast. And they always miscast at least once.

That combined is much better than +1 to dispell in my opinion.

As for putting Valkia in the frenzied unit, I don't think that one attack is worth the risk of her running off on some impossible charge. Remember, I don't have a bsb. An untimely failed frenzy check could easily cost me the game.
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dragonhardt24
The Chosen
This is an evil list though. You got 4th? What beat you?
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PlasmaMike
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I've only used these big chosen units in 4 games (3 of them at ard boys round 2). I've only actually tried the duel chosen units once. I haven't lost any games, I just had 2 draws and a minor win at ard boys.

The minor was against a Kairos list. Second round I got some bad roles, plus some misinterpreted rules by my opponent (a good friend), caused the draw.

Third round I was against another WoC player who also had a huge chosen unit. I almost had him, but it we tied in the end.
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