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Optimal size of warrior units in 8th; What size for utility units of warriors?
Topic Started: Apr 12 2011, 12:28 AM (1,597 Views)
Eta
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Kormak
Apr 13 2011, 11:14 PM
Well one of the main factors to consider here is the points size of the game, certainly a hellstrom or a grudge thrower is a pain to deal with but you have to also consider that these are still only going to hit if they get that 1/6 chance of a hit result.

Actually, the chance of a "hit" is 1/3 because there are two "hit" symbols on the scatter dice. ;)
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Mr Saturday
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Well, there are some passionate opinions on this, it would seem. It strikes me that there are arguments for both smaller (15-20) and larger (30+) units of warriors. As has been mentioned, a lot depends on the support, both in tactics and army composition, for units of warriors, of whatever size. Of course, one could say this is true of any army, but it seems to me warriors are the keystone unit in this one.

The clue is in the name, I guess.
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darkangel16
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For warriors with MoT 23 with a BsB and war banner. You can lose a rank and still go stubborn against most units and you grind out almost anyone with 3 combat res from banners alone.

Mot warriors in a group of 18 dont kill enough and wont outlast much either.

For any sorta of khorne warriors its gotta be a multiple of 6.period.

I would never deploy warriors in horde ever because the chance of you having enough models in base contact to deal damage is slim considering our base size. Not to mentiion all the small debuff spells that render your horde ineffective as well as the classic deathstar destroyers.
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sometimesafish
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Mot warriors in a group of 18 dont kill enough and wont outlast much either.


I have to disagree here. I NEVER run more than 18 warriors and low and behold my warriors frequently win combats and I win games.

I have even had 2 MoN warriors (Rage banner) + champ/SB sandwiched between two huge blocks of clanrats (front and rear) and won combat again and again until he eventually failed a steadfast Ld check (because believe it or not this happens). Steadfast is great and all, but they still fail sometimes. Especially if you make them test every single round of combat. Who cares if you only have 6 warriors left?! They are chaos warriors man!!!
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Tzeentch13x
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I think I will run a horde of Chaos warriors 10 x 5 and throw in my sorceror and BSB as well for sh*ts and giggles. What do you think?
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Godless-Mimicry
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darkangel16
Apr 14 2011, 12:41 AM
Mot warriors in a group of 18 dont kill enough and wont outlast much either.

Tell that to my humble unit of only 15 that survive 99% of my games.
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ThePilch
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Apr 17 2011, 09:29 AM
darkangel16
Apr 14 2011, 12:41 AM
Mot warriors in a group of 18 dont kill enough and wont outlast much either.

Tell that to my humble unit of only 15 that survive 99% of my games.

Or my unit of 14 who ditto! (more like 70% of games for me)

I field 7x2 Khorne Beserkers, with 2xHW. The unit is so much smaller than my marauder blocks, but put out 4 attacks per man on the front row! My opponents deign the unit too small to be effective and focus on the blocks (nurgle, HW/S).

Then they slide up on the outside and butcher away! And since theyre small i can happily throw them into impossible combats so my knights, or chosen, can crush the weakened unit later.


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Coldblood666
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I was going to go Horde with my warriors but ive decided 2 units of 18 is better imo. Not all my eggs are in one basket and both units are capable of mauling other armies Core and most Elite units without problem. It allows more deployment drops and greater flexibility then one uber unit that enemy units can avoid altogether without much trouble.
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Mr Saturday
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For a first list I'm probably going to go with one unit of 18 6x3 khorne with halberd, standard and musician, and one unit of Tzeentch 20, 5x4 with standard, musician and hw and shield, and see how that works out.
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Deroga
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I think there are really 2 schools of thought on the size of warrior units, and both are viable but dependent on the rest of the army list.

1.) multiple smaller units of 15-18 warriors armed with either Shields or Halberds, and marked Tzeentch or Khorne.

2.) one to two units of 25-40 warriors armed and marked the same way.

I have adopted the second option as i rely on this unit to be the center of the army, with 2-4 units of 50+ marauders with great weapons + chariots/hell cannons to mover around the flanks while the large block controls the middle.
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Maddoc
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I have to agree with the 18 blocks with Halberds and Shields. I prefer Khorne, since I prefer to win combat instead of surviving.

My list consists of:

18 Warriors of Chaos
Mark of Khorne
Halberds, Shields
Full Command
Rapturous Standard

18 Warriors of Chaos
Mark of Khorne
Halberds, Shields
Full Command
Blasted Standard

12 Chosen
Mark of Tzeentch
Halberds, Shields
Full Command
Favour of the Gods
Banner of Rage

I put a BSB with Wailing Banner with the Chosen, meaning I reroll everything but 4,5,11 and 12 on the Gift Table, and a Tarpiting Warshrine with mark of Tzeentch, to secure the damn 3+ Ward Save and Stubborn on the Chosen unit.

Chosen in the middle, flanked by the blocks. Kicks ass.
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sometimesafish
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The chosen need the wailing banner on their SB for you to get to re-roll for terror. This has been discussed elsewhere but you must roll for their EotG before characters can join it, otherwise you could just pop in an exalted with terrifying mask of EEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeEeeE!!!1!!

Put something else cool on the BSB, like the Scarecrow banner :blink:
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Maddoc
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sometimesafish
May 6 2011, 05:52 AM
The chosen need the wailing banner on their SB for you to get to re-roll for terror. This has been discussed elsewhere but you must roll for their EotG before characters can join it, otherwise you could just pop in an exalted with terrifying mask of EEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeEeeE!!!1!!

Put something else cool on the BSB, like the Scarecrow banner :blink:

I belive it's been FAQ'd that the Mask of EEE! doesn't work on that for the purpose of the Gifts.

But switching banners isn't a biggie ;) Let's pretend I gave the Wailing Banner to the Chosen, and the Banner of Rage to the BSB :rolleyes:
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