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| Alric | May 5 2011, 05:07 PM Post #46 |
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Except it is you that is creating a house rule. It has taken you three pages of post to finally reply to my original reply to your OP and as I mentioned before you have repeated all the invalid arguments that have been stated before as I figured you would. The FAQ ... Q: Does Killing Blow work against a mounted character regardless of what he is mounted on? (p72) A: Yes, as long as the character would count as an infantry model if it wasn’t mounted. The FAQ states that a character is affected by killing blow regardless of what he is riding as long as the character would count as infantry model if he wasnt mounted. You fail to recognize that the word regardless means no matter what or in other words it doesnt matter what the character is riding. Also you dont seem to understand the meaning of the second part of the FAQ which is a phrase thats states a conditional statement that literaly allows you to imagine what the character would be unmounted. So what the FAQ is telling the player to do is ignore the mount and imagine if the character would be an infantry model w/o its mount and if so then yes it would be affected by killing blow. The invalid arguments you use have all been debunked. 1) But the character is not listed in the rule book as "infantry" troop type - The FAQ doesnt refer to or base its answer on the troop type listings it only tells the player to imgaine if it would be an infantry model. 2)But the FAQ doesnt say imagine what the model would be - Actually thats exactly what the answer in the FAQ says do , its called a "present unreal conditional" statement. 3)But the character and rider can not both be attacked/targeted seperately - The FAQ doesnt require the mount to be targeted seperately only the character need be targetable. 4)But the Charater is troop type MC and MC cant be afftected by killing blow - Not according to the FAQ since the character gets it MC from being on a mount and the FAQ tells the player to ignore the mount. 5)But its an FAQ and FAQ's cant change rules - Technically its not changing the rules since according to the rules infantry is affected by killing blow. The FAQ is clarifying the fact that a character infantry model on a mount is still an infantry model vs. killing blow. According to the rules a character takes on the troop type of his mount (ie: monster/chariot/MC) but the character itself is not a chariot or a monster or a monstrous beast but an infantry model still so the character is affected by killing blow. This is all based on very solid rational since in reality you would have to be able to say that the character in question would be similar to an ogre or troll model aka a monstrous infantry model , which in the cases of Archaon would be ridiculous. The fact is that according to the FAQ any character on a mount can be affected by killing blow as long as he would count as a infantry model if he wasn't mounted and as this photo of Archaon on foot proves that according to Games Workshop , et al , Archaon IS an infantry model when on foot. Did I mention that the GW Archaon on foot model comes on a 25mm infantry base. Click this link to see the Authentic Games Day 2004 Archaon Infantry model (nib) with a 25mm base. Discussion over .. :rock: P.S. One other point that I have not mentioned before, that I have been saving , is that there is a basic illogical contradiction that those like yourself make in this discussion. You state that the FAQ does tell us that characters on chariots , monsters and monstrous beast are affected by killing blow but that special characters like Archaon are not. What you fail to realize is that the same conditions stated in that same FAQ that allow regular characters on mounts to be affected by killing blow ALSO apply to special characters. You cant logically state that regular character are affected and special charaters are not - because - there is NOTHING in the FAQ that distinguishes special characters from regular characters. This is the basic critical flaw in all your arguments. (plus the fact that the Archaon on foot model comes on a 25mm infantry base :)) |
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| chiram | May 6 2011, 02:08 AM Post #47 |
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The Chosen
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well i know i also got an archaon on mount on a normal cavalery mount bet seeying as this one wasn't a collector i went to the GW and demanded a correct base and even got 25% back from the price :P |
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| Benaiah | May 6 2011, 10:12 AM Post #48 |
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Except that he is not infantry. He is monstrous cavalry in the same way a bloodcrusher or pegasus knight is. |
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