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New FAQ + Chosen EoTG
Topic Started: May 9 2011, 11:10 PM (656 Views)
sometimesafish
The Chosen
So, with the newest FAQ saying;
"Some special rules, magic items etc. have an effect at the
beginning of the battle, or before the game starts. When should
these effects take place?
After both armies are deployed and any Deployment special
rules have occurred but before the roll for first turn."

Does this mean that a character with the mask of EE, deployed inside chosen will allow re-rolls of 10 and 11?
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Hinge
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I would say no.

The Chosen pre-game EoTG roll states that characters do not benifit from this rule.

The EoTG table states that the "favored one" must already cause fear/terror to be able to re-roll.

So I would conclude that any item carried by the character would have to effect the entire unit (such as the Wailing Banner) for it to impact this pre-game roll.

Hinge
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snyggejygge
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I'm with Hinge on this one.
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chiram
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but if a fear/terror causing character joins a unit doesn't he then confer it to the entire unit?
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guardian angel
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chiram
May 10 2011, 03:19 AM
but if a fear/terror causing character joins a unit doesn't he then confer it to the entire unit?

No. He counts as causing fear, not the unit, i.e. if someone is in combat with the unit that includes a character that causes fear, the opposing unit has to test due to the character, NOT the unit.
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sometimesafish
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Word.
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Maddoc
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Slave
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Agreed. Give the Chosen unit The Wailing Banner, problem solved.
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LORD VOKUL'NAX
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Corrupted Slann
The Wailing Banner seems like the fair way to go. The mask of EEE is a bit sketchy in this situation.
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Krakanrock
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chiram
May 10 2011, 03:19 AM
but if a fear/terror causing character joins a unit doesn't he then confer it to the entire unit?

I know in 7th Ed. that if a character who caused Fear joined a unit that didn't, said unit would be immune to the effects of Fear. I haven't played enough games in 8th to knowif that still holds true. :(
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Hinge
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Nope. The character would not have to take a fear test, but the unit would. Also, since the entire unit is not composed of Fear/terror causers, the unit would have to take a terror test if charged by a terror causer.

The solution is the Wailing Banner, either on the unit or on a bsb.
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Maddoc
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Hinge
May 12 2011, 02:19 AM
Nope. The character would not have to take a fear test, but the unit would. Also, since the entire unit is not composed of Fear/terror causers, the unit would have to take a terror test if charged by a terror causer.

The solution is the Wailing Banner, either on the unit or on a bsb.

No, the BSB is not a part of the Chosen unit's initial roll (it's stated in the Army Rulebook), and this won't benefit from it. Just be safe and give the unit the Wailing Banner.
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LORD VOKUL'NAX
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So how many points is everyone willing to spend on "warmachine hunters" in a 2000 point game?
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Tome
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May 13 2011, 03:49 AM
So how many points is everyone willing to spend on "warmachine hunters" in a 2000 point game?

Totally the wrong thread for this, by the way.

And I'd tend to spend about half my army on warmachine hunters of some form or another. But then, my local metagame is populated by a lot of Dwarven/Empire gunlines with a severe anti-magic bent. Other folks would, most likely, spend significantly less.
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Hinge
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Maddoc
May 12 2011, 10:01 AM
No, the BSB is not a part of the Chosen unit's initial roll (it's stated in the Army Rulebook), and this won't benefit from it. Just be safe and give the unit the Wailing Banner.

That is the way I have always played it but the new faq changes things. The faq clearly states the rolls made at the "begining of the game" happen after deployment. The wailing banner on a bsb deployed in the unit does impart terror on the whole unit. While the Chosen rule states characterd do not benifit from the initial EoTG roll, when that initial roll is made, the Chosen unit does cause terror, hence benifits from the bsb toting the Wailing banner.

The Mask of EEEE or shrieking blade impart fear/terror only on the model carrying said item, not the whole unit, so would not help the Chosen unit with the begining of game EoTG roll if deployed in the unit.

My preference is still to put the Wailing Banner on the unit and make the BSB tough to kill.
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LORD VOKUL'NAX
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Tome
May 13 2011, 04:33 AM
Dark Lord of the Sith
May 13 2011, 03:49 AM
So how many points is everyone willing to spend on "warmachine hunters" in a 2000 point game?

Totally the wrong thread for this, by the way.

And I'd tend to spend about half my army on warmachine hunters of some form or another. But then, my local metagame is populated by a lot of Dwarven/Empire gunlines with a severe anti-magic bent. Other folks would, most likely, spend significantly less.

OOPS :wacko: I completely meant to post it in another trend that I had created.

Sorry
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