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Why aree you playing Marauders of Chaos?; big 3 mistakes in building a WoC list
Topic Started: Aug 12 2011, 08:57 PM (2,932 Views)
Kormak
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Oh the ones I went to didn't have score, we had just plain restrictions, I think it would fine for comp score because its fluffy and avoids things like "30 chosen" or "500000000000000000000 marauders"

I also think only have one hellcannon and one warshrine helps rather than 2 of one or the other.
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teafloy_the_damned
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Kormak
Dec 7 2011, 12:29 AM
I think it would fine for comp score because its fluffy and avoids things like "30 chosen" or "500000000000000000000 marauders"
Rather ironic you should say that, but i'll get to that in a min

I've always loved Marauders, regardless the fact that there great bang for your buck, i just like them.

At my regular club i take a Skeggi Norse army and have quite a bit of success.
I love watching marauders get killed, a bit like dwarf slayers in that way.
I enjoy marching them in the hundreds towards gun lines and seeing them die in there droves

I do like WOC but i find the Chaos warrior itself a bit cheese. He is one of the best troops in the game, monsterous in combat, tough as nails in defense and a bloomin core choice!

I take a lot of steadfast KH/GW blocks of marauders with 10 flail marauders as diverters/re-directors and it works supremly well

So i've signed up for Throne of Skulls this march, natually i cant use a norse list but the WOC army i'm talking for the 2000pts will have over 200 marauders in.

That may be cheesy in itself and i dont expect to win much, but with chaos warriors i dont get that fizz, that x factor when using them. Marauders always strike me as the plucky underdog of WOC so i guess its time for me to find out if there competitive
Edited by teafloy_the_damned, Dec 11 2011, 10:38 PM.
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Sir-Crass
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I run a unit of100 in my current Throgg list. They are just a fun unit in my mind!
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Kormak
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teafloy_the_damned
Dec 11 2011, 10:35 PM
I do like WOC but i find the Chaos warrior itself a bit cheese. He is one of the best troops in the game, monsterous in combat, tough as nails in defense and a bloomin core choice!
I don't find them cheese at all, something people need to remember is that WoC has always been a army that has lacked large amounts of shooting, until recent edition at best they had a few bows floating about!

I don't really have a problem with people who theme their armies to marauder tribes but as General said it does seem that people are not doing this for a theme, its just dirt cheap infantry blocks of Khorne backed up by filthy chosen of Tzeentch with a couple of hellcannons.

I myself have played the chaos warrior heavy list since I started chaos, I carried on using the list like this even when Chaos warriors got heavily nerfed in 6th eith 1 attack and only heavy armour.

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teafloy_the_damned
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Kormak
Dec 12 2011, 12:26 AM
I don't find them cheese at all, something people need to remember is that WoC has always been a army that has lacked large amounts of shooting, until recent edition at best they had a few bows floating about!
Ok maybe Cheese is the wrong word, whether it is Stilton or Gorgonzola. :X

As you've rightly said, i've played a few game with the Bacon double hellcannon and chosen with a side of "go large" marauders. Although it does work, i feel nothing for the army.

After the battle is done i walk away with a "Meh" Feeling

You have to concentrate on the fun side

I do like the idea of a whole warrior army, but the models are always so encased in there armour, i find it hard to like them.

Marauders, i find, are very likeable. Maybe thats why they feature so heavily in our armylists?

*Sorry for the food references its getting close to dinner*
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GeneralofChaos42
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More I play with Warriors the more I love them, plus there not going to change much from book to book. Great backbone to your Warriors of Chaos list. The key for me was to run as few characters as possible, to save on points for more Warriors. My results have been great with this type of build, I encourage others to do the same thing.



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Deroga
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What General said about warriors not likely to change in the next book has been a large fear of mine. not that warriors arent going to change much, but that i know changes will come for marauders, the question of how much remains though. I hope that it doesn't get worse than 5 points per model with 2 points for a gw, but it *could* go worse :(

I love both warriors AND marauders in my lists, and most of my lists have 2 units of each. I feel they compliment each other in our armies very well, and should be used this way for a balanced list.

Dual Hell cannons used to be over the top, but with the addition of the new army books it almost looks like GW is trying to make one or more monsters a norm in the game now. I have yet to see a Dark Elf list at a tourney that doesn't include 2 hydra, nor an ogre list that doesn't have some combination of multiple mournfang/iron blasters/thunder tusks/etc. It seems like GW has taken a stance of embracing monsters in each army, so i think players should as well, and with the different tools each army has/is getting...handling these monsters is no longer the task it was in 7th, where a dragon was an absolute beast to bring down.
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His Immortal Shadow
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I find that warrior and maurders work well together, each unit supporting each other, example my unit of warriors of with shields , mot, and the raputorus stnadard hold a unit up, and a block of 50 mauraders put the last nail in the coffin, love it when my shrine gives the warriors a 2+ save
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His Immortal Shadow
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when i made my tourny list didnt I include chosen, just to prove a point that you could win without the deathstar, so far i played 10 games and had a blast when my when the other general has ask me " no chosen?" nope the warriors are not worthy yet
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GeneralofChaos42
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Deroga
Jan 25 2012, 10:41 PM
What General said about warriors not likely to change in the next book has been a large fear of mine. not that warriors arent going to change much, but that i know changes will come for marauders, the question of how much remains though. I hope that it doesn't get worse than 5 points per model with 2 points for a gw, but it *could* go worse :(

I love both warriors AND marauders in my lists, and most of my lists have 2 units of each. I feel they compliment each other in our armies very well, and should be used this way for a balanced list.

Dual Hell cannons used to be over the top, but with the addition of the new army books it almost looks like GW is trying to make one or more monsters a norm in the game now. I have yet to see a Dark Elf list at a tourney that doesn't include 2 hydra, nor an ogre list that doesn't have some combination of multiple mournfang/iron blasters/thunder tusks/etc. It seems like GW has taken a stance of embracing monsters in each army, so i think players should as well, and with the different tools each army has/is getting...handling these monsters is no longer the task it was in 7th, where a dragon was an absolute beast to bring down.
If the rumblings are true, core Warriors going down a point in the new book. Mauraders going up by a point, Dragon Ogres might be 5T, talk of Spawns to have 5+WS, Forsaken to be skirmishers, Tzeentch to get a spell that gives off a 5+WS to all friendly units with in 12" and the return of SC Engrimm Von Hortsman & Kromm. Then again it's all just rumours floating about the web. So I take them all with a grain of salt, I perfer to wait and see. But if true? Look for a release around Christmas 2012, if it's all true. With new models of Chariot/ Warshrine, Forsaken, Dragon Ogres & new Chaos Dragon all done in plastic. With some fine cast characters thrown into the mix as well.



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Deroga
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that sounds like solid changes overall, and pretty on the spot for points increase to marauders (although i feel like gw should be more expensive than flails), and warriors going down a point is just that much more amazing :D

I love warriors, and i cant make a list i like that doesnt have at least 1 unit because of how they can handle things that marauders struggle with, as well as take some MUCH needed magic banners.
Edited by Deroga, Jan 26 2012, 01:57 AM.
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Hardcoreholland
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I usually use a a chosen of tzeentch with halberds and favour of the gods and whailing banner deathstar with two warshrines. I use the deathstar to kill them all. I also use a huge marauder horde 10/7, they keep the enemy busy so my deathstar can kill them all, I think that's the best way to use marauders.
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rothgar13
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I think 10x7 is overkill, personally. Those 7 ranks aren't much different from 5 in any meaningful positive way, and then there's the footprint problem (aka your flanks are HUGE). Having 100 extra points to build an army with is also nice.
Edited by rothgar13, Jan 26 2012, 06:55 AM.
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Tekik
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I am all for warriors, they are why I started this army. I field 2 units of 20 in most of my lists. They are just about the last thing I will drop in a list unless I am doing a theme list for fun. I tried taking my 40 strong marauder block out of my list but I kept running into issues with it. Fist of all there isn't a unit I want that runs their 250 points. Second is I play primarily against High Elves and anything other then marauders gets destroyed by his Sword Master block. I would love to cut them from my list entirely (I hate the figs and the feel) I just cant find anything else in the book to accomplish the same tasks they can. I also completely agree with fewer characters. I run my level 4 chicken on a disc and a BSB for my Banner of Raged Nurgle unit with halberds. But beyond that I prefer to have more points for units.
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His Immortal Shadow
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even with a point increase Marauders maybe in the new book they are still a good buy, and really help out increase the numbers of troops on the board, 20 years ago you almost never saw Marauder type troops, almost always just warriors
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