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| What do you want out of a new army book? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 12 2011, 01:35 PM (1,329 Views) | |
| AnomalyOfAwesome | Sep 12 2011, 01:35 PM Post #1 |
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Sorry if this has been done before, I'm just bored at work and thinking about it a bit... What would everyone like to see out of a new Warriors of Chaos 8th edition army book? Personally, first and foremost, the marks need to be rebalanced. Something like: Khorne-+1 Strength Nurgle-Poisoned Attacks or 5+ regen Slaanesh-Always Strike First Tzeentch-Could probably stay the same Ideally, I would actually like them to bring back the idea that the marks affect different units in different ways, but since they seem to be streamlining things as the editions progress, I don't see that being likely. Also, I would like to see a Marauder Chieftain hero or something. With the newer models looking as impressive as they do, I think they could come with a truly formidable looking hero for this kind of character. New Marauder models would be nice as well, but I guess that's a slightly different topic... Last, to finish off the first post, obviously we need our own big bad creature thing. So what should it be? New Chaos Dragon as a rare choice? Giant lumbering beast with a Hellcannon on its back? DISCUSS! :P |
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| rothgar13 | Sep 12 2011, 02:13 PM Post #2 |
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How are +1 Strength, a 5+ regen, and ASF balanced with a 6+ Ward (or +1 to an existing Ward)? :huh: They'd have to cost a heck of a lot more. MoT is a bit cheap for what it does, but those other 3 are WAY over the top. As for what I'd like to see... - Forsaken that don't abysmally suck would be nice. - Chosen should be an actual upgrade to Chaos Warriors, not just a Chaos Warrior with the option for Favor + Wailing Banner shenanigans. - Modernized magic would be cool too - I'd love to see what they'd do for Lore attributes for our native Lores. |
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| Blood-Spattered Angel | Sep 12 2011, 02:17 PM Post #3 |
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What I would like to see: - A well-written version of Eye of the Gods :D - Lore attributes for Chaos spells (I imagine that the Lore of Slaanesh would become a lot more interesting with the right attribute) - Mono-god armies with different playing styles (I want to see a Khorne force shut down a magic phase)/more "equal" marks. -Ogre characters What I don't want to see: -The Mark of Chaos Undivided (except for Archaeon). Makes no sense (fluff-wise) and looks like lazy writing (like how Plague Marines can't ride bikes). -Mixing Marks within the same unit/giving aligned weapons to anyone (If you want to encourage unmarked units, let them be the exception) -Special characters that change troop selection. I like the idea of having ogres as core under an ogre commander, but I don't like using special characters. |
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| AnomalyOfAwesome | Sep 12 2011, 03:17 PM Post #4 |
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It's just what I came up with on the spot. I never claimed they were all balanced against each other :-p just ideas I was throwing around. Like I said, I would love to see the marks have different effects again like they did before 7th. Attributes for our Lores would be really cool, but if they try to make a Khorne caster of any sort, I may just cry. I do believe they should be able to have some wicked magic defense, though. And Chosen being an upgrade option again would be interesting. I think they should be something similar to the longbeards for the dwarves. Can only have one unit for every unit of Warriors. Maybe even bring back Chosen Knights... :-D move over Blood Knights LoL I would kind of like to see them fix some of our rare choices so they aren't as worthless. Giant and Shaggoth, in particular, are just hard to do anything with at this point. I guess the same could be said for the Chaos Spawn and the Forsaken as well. |
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| rothgar13 | Sep 13 2011, 12:52 AM Post #5 |
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I like the idea of Chosen being an upgrade option for Chaos Warriors and Knights. That would be sweet! :) I don't think they'll make a Khorne caster. I wouldn't be opposed to a Khorne Exalted Hero or Chaos Lord that you could kit out to be sort of like a Dwarf Runesmith or Runelord, though. That would make mono-Khorne armies a good bit better. The Giant and the Shaggoth just need a bit of a points trim (and maybe a better Scaly Skin for the Shaggoth). Chaos Spawn... I don't know what they can do there, given that they're so fixated on making them random movers. And yeah, we agree on the Forsaken (actually, those two units overlap a good deal - maybe fold one into the other, and hopefully take the best from each?). |
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| khorndog | Sep 13 2011, 02:53 AM Post #6 |
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I would love to see chosen that are WS 6, S 5, T 5, I 5 rather than just the +1 WS, though who knows what the point cost would be, as well as chosen knights, again at +1 WS, S, T, and I. Id love to see slaanesh marks get a boost, from immune to psych to +1 I or an equivalent to Feel No Pain in 40k. Id also like to see poison attacks for nurgle, and maybe magic resistence for Khorne. An alternative would be marking a unit, and then choosing from a list of upgrades based on that mark- so pay the 30 points for Khorne to get Frenzy, and pay another 40 for +1 S to the unit, or get nurgle on your warriors and shell out an additional 30 points for poison attacks, etc. Having a list of 3-4 options per mark would be very cool, and really let you create mono armies that are unique and fluffy if youre willing to pay for it. Would also like to see new warriors with every option on the sprue, plastic chosen, and new marauders with all options included as well (again, sort of a different topic). Cheers, Nick |
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| AnomalyOfAwesome | Sep 13 2011, 11:32 AM Post #7 |
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A Khorne hero capable of getting bonuses to dispelling like a runepriest wouldn't be a bad idea. Just have to limit a bit. I think it should be have to be in a Khorne-only army, and then lose their bonuses if there are spellcasters in the army, similar to the Dwarves. What I do NOT want to see is them making a Khorne hero like a Warpriest, where they get bonus dice, but then a couple bound spells like the blessings of Sigmar. As for the Chosen getting a +1 to all those stats, that would be interesting. Combine the ideas, and you can turn 1 unit of Warriors into a unit of Chosen for X points, but it also makes them a special choice. Either only 1 unit in an army can do it, or you have to have as many units of Warriors as you do Chosen. Same with Knights, but upgrades them to rare choice. As for the Giant and Shaggoth, points trim definitely would help. I would like to see upgrade options for the Giant, actually. Like, some heavy armor or something. I know it would be different to see, but I can see them being like ogres and just picking up random scraps of metal to strap to themselves. OH! And Daemon Princes should be able to take gear. Justify their incredible points cost. |
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| rothgar13 | Sep 13 2011, 12:51 PM Post #8 |
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I don't know if we'll get WS, S, T, and I, but we should at least get two of those, a la Big 'Un's for O&G's, and making it count toward Special points should get us three of those four. +3 points/model and counting as a Special choice for +1 WS, +1 S, and +1 T for one unit of Chaos Warriors sounds fair to me. |
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| CyderPyrate | Sep 13 2011, 02:58 PM Post #9 |
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| svennh | Sep 14 2011, 10:17 PM Post #10 |
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Back to the days that you could mix the deamons, warriors and beastmen would be nice ! |
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| CyderPyrate | Sep 14 2011, 10:50 PM Post #11 |
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So much potential for filth >< |
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| Small, Far Away | Sep 15 2011, 04:23 AM Post #12 |
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A bit of trimming back points wise. I like the idea of a Khore anti-caster guy. I'm thinking that maybe he would grant you dispel dice or magic resistance. Just throwing some thoughts out there. |
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| HammerofThunor | Sep 15 2011, 04:03 PM Post #13 |
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Would people generally prefer mono-armies to be more feasible? |
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| Kraytirous | Sep 15 2011, 06:32 PM Post #14 |
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I'd like to see daemonic gifts be worth taking. The Eye of the Gods represents the gifts a God may bestow upon a Chaos Champion. Daemonhood represents the ultimate gift for a Chaos Lord. So should a daemon prince not technically have a better statline? Just some panderings. ;) I'd like to see Juggernauts become viable again, either give them 3 wounds once more or give us a unit of Chaos Knights riding Juggernauts to tuck the bugger into. Either give the daemon prince magic items or give us some DECENT daemonic gifts that a close combat monster can use! |
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| Krakanrock | Sep 15 2011, 11:35 PM Post #15 |
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I'm in the same boat as Kray - I'd like to see the DP a worth while lord choice. Why in the gods name is a mortal better than an immortal champion of the gods!?!?!? :blink: :huh: :wacko: |
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