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Topic Started: Mar 12 2012, 03:33 AM (124 Views)
Hieronymus
Warrior of the Chamber
Hello all,

I'm new to Fantasy, but not new to table top, and I've been mulling over fantasy lists for about a month now and after looking at the Orcs and Goblins & Skaven army books (which I own) and having read the BRB I've got the WoC army book and this is the first list I've come to which I think might have potential.

I've read a lot of the threads on this forum prior to making this list, so I think I have some idea as to consensus, but any thoughts about this list or anything else about WoC that you can think of would be appreciated.

I'll include a few notes after this list explaining some of my (il)logic and any aesthetic choices I've made.

Lords (315)

Chaos Sorc Lord
Lvl 4
MoT
LoT
Earthing Rod

Heroes

Chaos Sorc (155)
Lvl 2
MoN
LoN
Spell Familiar

Exalted Champion (240)
MoK
Jugganaut
Acid Ichor
Favour of the Gods
Sword of Anti-Heroes
Bronze armour of Zharkk

Core

Chaos Marauders [25] (155)
MoS
Flails
FCM

Chaos Marauders [25] (155)
MoS
Flails
FCM

Chaos Warhounds [5] (30)

Chaos Warhounds [5] (30)

Chaos Warriors [15] (285)
FCM
Halberds
Banner of Swiftness

Special

Chosen [10] (300)
FCM
Halberds
Blasted Standard
Death's Head

Rare

Warshrine (130)

Hellcannon (205)

2000/2000

This is getting a bit TL;DR and I'm aware the more I try and justify the possibly ludicrous choices I've made the more of an idiot I might end up sounding, but I'll have to live with that.

Sorc Lord and Sorc
They are a bit bare bones, and might be a bit redundant, but I like having the two schools of magic and a good number of spell choices to chuck around. In general I'm leaning towards Nurgle as a preferred school, as it seems to have a nice balance of buff and dmg.

Ex Chmp
Yes, I know he's a lot of points and isn't a BSB. I did have a mental image of him chomping around the battlefield getting lots of nice EotG buffs, but I am equally aware that he could just die and be a massive waste.

Marauders
I'm not yet use to how elite Chaos are after having looked at the other army books, and I think I'm just trying to find a way to give me some more units, but make them a bit more durable and pack more of a punch.

Warriors
Why would I not take them? Not sure about marks for them if any. Banner of Swiftness was a bit of an impulse choice, no idea whether it would work at all, but was hoping that it might make them get to the fight a bit quicker with a few less casualties.

Warhounds
Cheap and throw-away. Give me some room on deployment, and could go and eat a war machine if all goes well.

Chosen
I like that Chosen can become a really terrifying unit if you roll the 12 on EotG, and are pretty scary otherwise if you don't. Gave them blasting to stop them getting autotargetted, and the death's head as a chuck-it-and-see sort of item to soften something up.

Warshrine
Seems pretty solid, considering it moves at a comparable rate, gives off some nice buffs and otherwise isn't too much of a wuss in combat.

Hellcannon
Again, I think this is because I'm kind of scared by the lack of range. I mean there are good reasons to take it against more horde armies, but it seems A LOT of points.

Anyway, this was all probably too long and largely rubbish written by someone who thinks he knows more about what he is doing than he does.

Constructive comments appreciated.

Cheers


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R3do
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The Warptongue
First of all welcome to fantasy world, i hope u enjoy :)

About the list i got few things on my mind.

1)Ur Characters need ward save's, good combo with Sorcerer Lord is Infernal Puppet and Talisman of Preservation + disc if u have one. Puppet is pretty most "must be" in list. It saves ur miscasts and doom enemy wizards in there own. Preservation on Tzeentch is 3+ ward save so ur mage doesn't die so easily.

2)U dont realy need second mage, specialy because so small size game. 4 lvl Tzeentch is damn good killer.

3)If u gona include Exalted hero, then u need him to be BSB. BSB is in these days critical. U dont wana ur warriors to fail LD and get over runned by enemy just because u hitted poorly.

4)From my opinion u should combine marauder units to single unit, make them MoK and give them GW's. Put them 10x5 formation and u hit in 3 ranks with str 5 and extra attacks to first row.

5)My choice to warriors whould be MoK or MoT and give razor's standard or banner of eternal flame. Ofc keep halberds.

6)Usual "cheese" choice to Chosens is MoT, Banner of Rage and Favor of the Gods. This how u hit needed 12 at Eye of the Gods much easier, its ward save comes to 3+ because Tzeentch and Banner of Rage give extra attacks.

7)HC shoot 12-60" so im pretty sure u can shoot almost anything in normal size gameboard. And yes its alot points but its worth it, because it makes enemy move all the time to avoid get hitted more often and it got that nice panic test buff which is good against low LD units.

8)Warshrine is good buff but it can allso be used to keep enemy hard units in combat because it can take alot hits and wont get killed so easily. So dont be afraid to use it :)

These where my toughts about ur list. Dont take anything too seriously. Just wana help :D
Edited by R3do, Mar 12 2012, 05:49 PM.
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Hieronymus
Warrior of the Chamber
Thanks, I'll bear that in mind. I do like the double sorc, as considering one is my general, I'd rather not have him blowing himself up so if there are any particularly risky rolls I would rather someone else take them. I like the lore of Nurgle more than the Lore of Tzeentch, that might just be a bit of a kneejerk reaction but I'll only find out if I play it out.

I've done as you suggested and added a bsb, put in some MoT Warriors, opted for another unit instead of the Marauders and put in some flanking/chaff units to pad out a 10 man chosen squad (unsupported by warshrine, because I'm stupid).

I have altered my army quite a bit since I made this list, and I'm just running a couple of other ideas through my head.

List now stands at:

+++ No Name (2000pts) +++
+++ 2000pt Warriors of Chaos Roster (Standard) +++

Selections:

+ Lords + (405pts)

* Sorceror Lord (405pts)
Level 4, Lore of Tzeentch, Mark of Tzeentch, On foot
* Gifts of Chaos (50 p)
Third Eye of Tzeentch
* Magic Items (100 p)
Infernal Puppet, Shrieking Blade, Talisman of Preservation


+ Heroes + (290pts)

* Chaos Sorcerer (140pts)
Level 2, Lore of Nurgle, Mark of Nurgle, On foot


* Exalted Hero (150pts)
On foot, Shield
* Army Battle Standard
Banner of Eternal Flame


+ Core + (850pts)

* Chaos Warhounds (30pts)
5x Chaos Warhound


* Chaos Warhounds (30pts)
5x Chaos Warhound


* Chaos Warriors (370pts)
Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer, Mark of Tzeentch
* 20x Chaos Warrior
20x Halberds


* Chaos Warriors (420pts)
Champion, Musician, Standard Bearer, Mark of Nurgle
* 20x Chaos Warrior
20x Halberds
* Magic Standard (50 p)
Blasted Standard


+ Special + (455pts)

* Chaos Chariot (120pts)


* Chaos Chariot (120pts)


* Chosen (215pts)
Chosen Champion
* 10x Chosen
10x Halberds
* Magic Item for Champion (25 p)
Favour of the Gods
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R3do
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The Warptongue
Because u dont have any other fast moving units then ur chariots maybe change one to warshrine? I understand u wana charge with both chariots same time in one unit and thats ok :)

But warshrine is good buff to chosens and specialy when u have so few of them.
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Hieronymus
Warrior of the Chamber
Cheers. I've pretty much abandoned this list now, I'm just not feeling the chosen I think I'll go with something else just by way of a change. But thank you for the imput :).
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Harbinger
The Chosen
Chosen are hard to jusity for me in this small of a game. They are significantly priced for such a small unit.

Theres no reason to abandon the list. If you wanted to put those marauders to use, then you could drop the unit of nurgle warriors with the blasted standard, add 5 models to the tzeentch warrior unit and give them the blasted standard and throw in 50 marauders of khorne with FCM and GW's for only 5 points more overall to the two units you have right now.

Since you are running a bare bones nurgle caster, you could swap him out for festus(sits really good in the marauders by making them decently survivable), you can drop the chosen to make points for him along with either marking the chariots or fielding more dogs. Also, give you BSB the MoT at lest if you giving him a magic banner, combined with the shield gives him a standing 6+ ward and a 5+ parry in HtH. This would bring the army total to 1825, giving you 175 points to play with.
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R3do
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The Warptongue
Dont abandon ur main list for comments mate. We just wana help and last word is urs to make :) I whould suggest pretty much same as Harbinger did.

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