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1250pts, Khorne/Nurgle
Topic Started: Mar 10 2013, 04:21 AM (349 Views)
Ulfhedinn Stormbringer
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Hello viking brothers!
I finally got my hands on the new book.
I'm building a 1250pts army to fight against High Elves, Skaven (from Island of Blood pack), Lizardmen, Dwarves and Vampire Counts.

Initially, I was really torn between choosing Nurgle or Khorne for my army. I chose Khorne.
But then I thought: why can't I just use them both? It would be awesome because I love both of them. Fluff-wise is not that bad, I mean, as far it's not Tzeench/Nurgle.

I began to write down a list. Advices and critics are MUCH apreciated.

HEROES:
Exalted hero of Khorne:
- Shield
- Sword of Striking
- Helm of Many Eyes
- Mark of Khorne
- Acid Ichor

total: pts. 173

Chaos Sorcerer:
- Mount
- Mark of Nurgle - Lore of Nurgle magic

total: 135pts

CORE UNITS:
Marauders (x15) :
- Flails
- Shield
- Light armor
- Full command
- Mark of Khorne

total: 210pts

Warriors (x20) :
- Halberd
- Shield
- Full command
- Banner of Rage
- Mark of Khorne

total: 465pts

Chaos Knights (x5) :
- Full command
- Banner of Swiftness
- Mark of Nurgle
- Ensorcelled weapons

total: 270pts

ARMY TOTAL: 1253

I don't know how to get rid of those exceeding 3 points.
What do you think of it?
My plan is to deploy Marauders as my "expendable" unit to deliver some damage (yes, I know they'll drop like flies and cost pretty much, but I kinda like them). Warriors are the general's (exalted hero of khorne) bodyguard and are a reliable and strong unit. And i'd use Knights to flank (they're also the Sorcerer's bodyguards), they're hard hitters, they move quickly and are hard to hit thanks to MoN.

To maintain the 25% as said on the book, I can't upgrade the sorcerer really much. I really wanted to give him a lvl2 and a dispel scroll but I just can't or It would be overpriced.

Feel free to comment!
Edited by Ulfhedinn Stormbringer, Mar 10 2013, 05:08 AM.
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iggy666
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First off, don't post the individual points for things, just the total. That will piss off GW and get the forums into trouble.

I would remove the Banner of Rage from the Warriors, they really dont need it. It's also not as expensive as you've written. Replace the Banner for a Chaos Familiar for your sorcerer. A lvl 2 with 3 spells in 1250 should be really nice.

I would also take out the Shields and Light Armor from the marauders, they are going to die, let them and buy more bodies.

Personally, I would replace the Knights with Skullcrushers as 3 is about the same amount of points and they are so much better. But if you don't have the models, Knights are fantastic anyway.

If you're still having an issue with points, the first thing I would take out is Acid Ichor as your hero only has 2 wounds and the possibility of that mutation actually doing anything is slim. I would only use that on a DP or Lord with Soul Feeder.

As for the fluff.. Nurgle and Khorne is great! They've teamed up before ^_^
Edited by iggy666, Mar 10 2013, 05:05 AM.
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Ulfhedinn Stormbringer
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Sorry for my ignorance: I immediately fixed the problem with points.

Unfortunately I haven't got Skullcrushers. But I plan to buy them in the future (maybe for a 2000points list!)

So here's the edited list:

HERO:
Exalted Hero of Khorne (general)
- Shield
- Sword of Striking
- Helm of Many Eyes
- MoK
total: pts. 163

Chaos Sorcerer:
- lvl2
- Chaos Familiar
- Chaos steed
- MoN - Lore of Nurgle magic
total: 195pts

CORE UNITS:
Marauders (x15) :
- Flails
- Full command
- MoK
total: 180pts

Warriors x20) :
- Halberd
- Shield
- Full command
- MoK
total: 430pts

Knights (x5) :
- Full command
- Banner of Swiftness
- MoN
- Ensorcelled weapons
total: 270pts

ARMY TOTAL: 1238pts

Looks ok with total points.. But total of Exalted Hero is 163 and +195 (total of Sorcerer) = 358. And it exceeds the rule that "heroes must be 25% of total points". 25% of 1250 is 312.

Mhh.. any idea how to deal with that?
Edited by Ulfhedinn Stormbringer, Mar 10 2013, 05:48 AM.
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I suppose you could remove Helm of Many Eyes and Chaos Familiar. You probably wont want a general with stupidity without a BSB, especially if he's a hero. Chaos Familiar is so nice, but in 1250 you can live without it. Oops, I didn't realize you sorcerer was not a lvl 2 in the first list. Lvl 2 is better than Chaos Familiar though.
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MyNameDidntFit
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Suggestion 1: Seeing as you're having an issue with hero points, I'd say you're in the dreaded position that I hate most. The one where you as the question:

Is my Exalted Hero worth ten Chaos Warriors?

At this points level, I think you'll find the answer is no. I would personally drop him and split his points into your existing Warriors to make two units of 14 (2x6 with 2 spare) with only a Banner and Champion.

Fits perfectly to bring your list to 1245.


On to suggestion 2: you're playing Dwarfs? I would lose the Steed from your Sorc. If he goes in that Knight unit he won't get a Look Out, Sir! because there are only 4 rank and file models and, for a sorc. with no ward, that makes him very vulnerable to cannons, bolt throwers, Skaven war machines, and all manner of high S shooting.

There are a few things you can do there: the easy option is to give him the Charmed Shield with your 5 spare points (that you have if you did suggestion 1), put him in a unit, free up points for a ward save or an extra Knight (if you do this I'd personally take the points by ditching the Marauders and replacing them with a chariot).


OK. I realise those are some drastic changes, but it's just food for thought! Don't jump to do exactly what internet people say, it's your list :)
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The only problem with the Nurgle sorcerer is theres no nurgle unit other than the Knights to join. If you take MyNameDidntFit's advice and take 2 units of warriors, you could make one Nurgle and one Khorne. Nurgle with hand weapons and shields, Khorne with Halberds (or both with halberds!). That is, assuming you have a sorcerer on foot models.
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MyNameDidntFit
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Aye, I didn't really look at that. But it certainly works with the two blocks (and I'd say MoN/Halberd alongside MoK/Halberd if you put the Sorc. in the unit) and is the only one of four options for the Sorc. that requires the change from Khorne.
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I think 2 units of shield/halberd warriors, one nurgle and one khorne, with the sorcerer would be great. Plus those Knights and Marauders, too. I don't think the Knights need the +1m banner, they should be fast enough compared to everything else.

At 1250 you'd be looking at having 4 units, which I think is pretty good for Warriors of Chaos even if they are only 15-man units.
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Ulfhedinn Stormbringer
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I'm making changes right now, and see if it fits with my personal tastes and with the total points.

Would you recommend me the Daemon Prince? I even thought about marking him with Nurgle and making him a flying sorcerer.. so that I could buff my Exalted hero of Khorne (man, I love that model) since Daemon Prince is a lord.
I could drop the Marauders to make it fit.. is it worth it?

EDIT:
I tried to include the Daemon Prince as a sorcerer, and to make my Exalted Hero a BSB. Sure, the Daemon Prince it's much cheaper in the new book, but it's just too expensive to make him a good sorcerer (35pts per level) expecially at 1250pts.

Also, I guess that dwarves will immediately shoot at him because he's an evident menace and it's not a very good thing if he's not using Demonic Flight (another 40pts!).. Nope, bad idea.

I imagine my army as an unrelenting wall of crazy angry buffed vikings devoted to evil deities in exchange of demonic and monstrous powers. I'll always prefer direct physical combat to magic, but I must admit that a sorcerer is a pretty good addition to a Chaos army, expecially using the lore of Death or Nurgle.
Maybe I could just use the Exalted Hero for now, because he's killy and tough, and use the Sorcerer in higher pts-wise games like 1500 or 2000pts (also, I got the Exalted Hero but haven't got the Sorcerer model).

I like the idea of having two different units of Warriors. One with MoK and one with MoN. Having separated units means that I have more manueverability. And also, MoN warriors just look cool as hell if painted properly.

Also, would you recommend the MoN or MoK on the Knights?
I bet that having frenzied mounted units is not that good in terms of tactics, but hell they hit like a train!
Edited by Ulfhedinn Stormbringer, Mar 11 2013, 12:22 AM.
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Yeah, you're not going to fit a Lord into 1250 very easily. I'd say you're better off with a sorcerer than an exalted hero, but if you don't have the model and would prefer an exalted hero that's what I do in 1250.

Knights could easily go either way. Most enemies will focus on them with range so MoN would help, but MoK does make them capable of ripping through units on their own. It's your call, I prefer MoK, but that's the only mark I've ever used :P
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MyNameDidntFit
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MoN doesn't have any effect on ranged anymore, remember, so MoK is probably the way to go as long as you've got some dogs to screen them with.
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I'll try to find some room for at least 10 puppies, then!
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So, now it should be:

LORDS000/312 MAX
HERO190/312 MAX
CORE804/312 MIN
SPECIAL255/624 MAX
RARE000/312 MAX
TOTAL1249/1250

HEROES:
Exalted Hero of Khorne :
- Enchanted Shield
- Dawnstone
- Sword of Striking
- MoK
- Scaled Skin
- Hideous Visage
total: 190pts.
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CORE UNITS:
Marauders (x16) :
- Flail
- MoK
- Full command
total: 174pts

Warriors (x12) :
- Halberd
- Shield
- Full command
- MoK
total: 270pts

Warriors (x12) :
- Halberd
- Shield
- Full command
- MoN
total: 270pts

Warhounds (x10) :
- Poisoned attacks
total: 90pts

SPECIAL:
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Chaos Knights (x5) :
- Ensorcelled weapons
- Full command
- MoK
total: 255pts
Edited by Ulfhedinn Stormbringer, Mar 11 2013, 09:10 PM.
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Bezerker
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I know you already dismissed the DP but I would urge you to reconsider. If you remove the heroes and remove daemonic flight then he will be a combat master. If you give him the charmed shield scaled skin, soul feeder, dragon bane tali, mon, chaos armor. He marches 16 inches. He'll give you 9 ld. 1+ 5+, 6+ to hit in close combat, 2+ save vs flaming and lore of metal. He could probably hold up the enemies best unit. If you want u could also add festus to a unit to make it beefy and give u magic defense. Just food for thought. Our army book comes with endless options.
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Don't forget stomps.
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