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3k Khorne Infantry; Tournament
Topic Started: Mar 20 2013, 02:12 AM (490 Views)
iggy666
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edited the list.
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MyNameDidntFit
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It's a bit of a trade-off, really. You want that Hellfire Sword plunged into very specific (and usually fast-moving) targets so dropping him back into an M4 block can often be a bit of a downer.

Just have to weigh up the options based on your meta, I guess.
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iggy666
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Yeah... I don't know if I like the idea of having 2 Lords in 3k... I wouldn't have 1 Lord in 1500.
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rothgar13
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I would. As a matter of fact, I'm kicking around a 2500 list with 2 Lords in it. Both of them will be a bit watered down, but I think having the combat beast separate from the L4 caster could be beneficial.
Edited by rothgar13, Mar 21 2013, 11:16 AM.
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iggy666
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I might use a DP, but I certainly wouldn't use a Chaos Lord.

DP is nice because its a character and a monster... and for the same price as a Chaos Lord.
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I actually think the opposite - at 1500, not that many armies have a L4 caster, so going with the Chaos Lord and a Scroll caddy hurts you less because you're not necessarily being overwhelmed in the Magic phase (also, at 1500 he can take on entire units on his own if he has one of several power kits). Also, see the edited reply above.
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I don't take casters, ever.

In 1500pts I would take a DP and BSB or an Exalted Hero. I can't fit my Chaos Lord in 1500 unless I put him on foot, which kind of sucks.

As an all Khorne army, a BSB is almost mandatory meaning I already have +1 Heroes in every list over 1k... kinda like Bretonnia.

So, after the BSB is taken care of... I'm required to take a general, at 1500 I'd have to squeeze in a Chaos Lord or DP... and the DP is better because it fills the general slot and a monster slot, which in 1500 is helpful.

I understand double lords in 2500 or 3k if u want a caster, but 2 combat lords is pointless. Units are better than combat characters who are not generals.
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MyNameDidntFit
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Personally, ever since they broke my Daemonsword, I've been of the opinion that there's nothing a Chaos Lord can do that an Exalted Hero can't (obviously other than be Ld9 base).

Sure, the Hellfire Sword build is nice, but against anything but Trolls* I've had just as much success with an Exalted on Steed with GW, HoME, Potion of Strength and Burning Body.


*15 wounds in a single phase... I nearly cried. So did my opponent :p
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iggy666
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I'm thinking about replacing the Lord, 1 Jugger and Warshrine with Ogres and an exalted on jugger
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MyNameDidntFit
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If you really want the Chosen to shine in their element, the Warshrine is a massive plus, but other than that the Ogres will almost definitely out-perform it, but it does mean you're left with nothing to use those power dice :(
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What would you incorporate in "The Best Possible Infantry List" while keeping the restrictions of: at least 1 Chosen unit, no sorcerers, MoK or Undivided.

It doesn't even have to be an infantry list, it just needs a unit of Chosen... which I assume will perform most effectively in an infantry list.
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MyNameDidntFit
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MoK, Undivided and No Sorc puts a dampener on most of what I've done with the new book, so I honestly have no idea where I'd even start :p

Throwing something together for 3k off the top of my head with "Khorne and Chosen" as my watchwords, I'd probably go something like:

2x Exalted (BSB and General)
4x Chariot
4x Hounds
2x Forsaken
2x 17 Chosen w/FC, Hal. & Sh. (higher numbers than before as they're the only blocks in the army)
1x Warshrine
2x 3 Skullcrushers w/FC and EW (it's Khorne, I'd say these are necessary)

Then apply Mark of Khorne judiciously.

That leaves something like 400 points for magic banners, kit on the Exalted and, if you like, enough points to make the General a Lord (possibly DP, but I'd not look for that in this list).

I'm fully aware it's not nearly the 'best' list involving Chosen, but it looks like it would be fun to me--lots of chaff, some of it very deadly; two very solid blocks of infantry; chariots to draw fire and smash stuff; Warshrine to sit between/behind/beside the Chosen and buff your heroes; Skullcrushers to fill that 'big and scary' niche and because it's a Khorne list so they seem necessary.

Possible changes would be putting the heroes on Juggers, or maybe put the BSB on the Shrine (I quite enjoy this). Could ditch the Forsaken and use those points + some of the spare for a couple Chimerae. Could go for Knights instead of 'crushers (still something like 500 points in Special) and whack the Exalted with them.

Gist being: cheap heroes = more boots. Which is what you want unless you've got a dedicated roll for them (ie. "be unkillable", "hunt monsters", etc), especially in a list where you're going to have to weather some magic. Or so I see it.

Anywho. That's what I came up with to answer your query. I'm not to up on making lists that don't have a distinctly Slaaneshi feel to them in the latest book and it probably shows.
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