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| DP using magic in CC; is he still able to cast in CC | |
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| dajunglebrotha | May 29 2013, 12:12 AM Post #1 |
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This question came up yesterday and I wasnt too sure. Is the DP still able to use magic once he is engaged in CC? |
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| Fractal_Mind | May 29 2013, 12:16 AM Post #2 |
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Augments, hexes, and vortexes for sure. Direct Damage yes if it is cast at a unit outside of CC. Magic missile no. |
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| Calamity | May 29 2013, 12:21 AM Post #3 |
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u cant place a vortex on top of the combat ur in tho |
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| AshBorn | May 29 2013, 12:35 AM Post #4 |
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Yeah you can. Vortexes dont target, as such you are not targeting a unit in combat. Perfectly legal. |
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| dajunglebrotha | May 29 2013, 12:52 AM Post #5 |
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but augment, hex, and vortex needs line of sight so wont he only be able to target the unit he is engaged in? |
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| Kaedron | May 29 2013, 04:26 AM Post #6 |
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No, they don't. All three need no line of sight. These rules are a bit of a mess in the Basic Rules Book: They are correct in the rules part (that part about the magic phase), but they are missprinted in the reference section (and there FAQ'd to the correct rules there). |
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| Asamu | May 29 2013, 05:17 AM Post #7 |
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It has nothing to do with targeting. There are direct damage spells that do not target, but they can't be cast into combat, because they are direct damage. The rulebook states that Vortexes may be cast into combat, and therefore they can. Nominated direction must be in Arc of Sight. The rulebook states that direct damage spells may NOT be cast into combat, but not that they cannot be cast from within combat. Requires Arc of Sight. Magic missiles are not allowed to be cast from or into combat. Requires Line of Sight. Hexes are able to be cast on any enemy unit within range. Augments are able to be cast on any allied unit within range. Edited by Asamu, May 29 2013, 05:20 AM.
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| AshBorn | May 29 2013, 07:21 AM Post #8 |
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Youre wrong. It does to. The spells that are direct damage that can be targeted at units in combat, specifically have an exception in the description which follows this rule in the rulebook - "CHOOSING A TARGET Targeting restrictions vary from spell to spell. However, unless stated otherwise the following rules apply:" - P. 31 "• Wizards cannot target spells at units engaged in close combat." - P. 31 "Direct damage spells are deadly attacks that strike the foe without warning. Direct damage spells can only ever be cast on enemy units. Sometimes a direct damage spell will use a template to determine which models are hit. When "this happens, the template cannot be placed in such a way that it touches friendly units or enemy units that are in close combat this is not to say that the template won't scatter onto friends later, depending on the spell." P.31 As you can see, theres no clause saying they do not target as the vortex paragraph says here - "Magical vortexes are roiling globes of magical. energy cl1at travel across the battlefield, wreaking all kinds of unusual (and often deadly) effects. A magical vortex does not have a target - instead it uses one of the round templates, which is placed in base contact with the caster and with its centre within the caster's front arc, and then moves as described in the spell." P. 31 The book does not say whether vortexes can or cannot be cast into combat, but that they dont target. Targeting is the only rule that prevents you from casting into combat. It has everything to do with targeting. If the spell doesn't target, feel free to cast it into combat unless its a Direct Damage template in which case is forbidden unless another rule overrides it in the spell. **The reference table in the back is all screwed up but it does have a line that says 'targeted into combat'. Edited by AshBorn, May 29 2013, 07:37 AM.
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