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which blade to slaughter with...
Topic Started: May 29 2013, 10:51 PM (531 Views)
abdulaapocolyps
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Hi guys. I'm having a bit of a problem choosing a weapon for my lord as he was an utter tank in the last edition but I wanted him more offensive for fluff reasons this time around. Before I get to the build etc can I ask a couple of favours from people replying?
I don't really care if u think lords suck
I'm not putting him on a disk for fluff and miniatures reasons
He is having the MoT and I don't want him to have a 3+ save.
So, his build atm is as follows-
Barded steed
5+ ward item
2+ ward one off shield
Either +3 s or A sword

Flame breath
Soul feeder
3rd eye
MoT

I started wanting him to have the flame sword from the army book but my main opponents will be OnG with their low saves and Elves where they have LOADS of 2+ wards vs fire...

So, do I go with S for the OnG monster hunting and elf knight bashing or +3 a for RnF damage output? Im leaning towards attacks, even tough monsters will struggle with him and his knights attacks and I can happily solo charge smaller elite elf units with him...thoughts guys?
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Calamity
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talisman of endurance, hellfire sword potion of speed, soul feeder, 3rd eye of tzeentch, flaming breath. But he is worth a tonne of points. it will rip thru orks n goblins, n u hav a disc so fly him around 2 unit that don't hav the 2+ fire ward
Edited by Calamity, May 29 2013, 10:58 PM.
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Kurrilino
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may i ask why you don't want the 3+ ward save ???
In that case you cans till take the 4+ talisman but another mark.
Or is the mark the important thing ???

The next thing is the elite elf units.
Without the proper wardsave he will die very soon since you plan playing him solo.
Mostly he won't even reach them since boltthrower and stuff is armor ignoring
Edited by Kurrilino, May 29 2013, 11:58 PM.
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Wulfrik
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He doesn't want the 3+ Ward because he wants one of the 65 point swords. Those aren't an option if you use up 45 points on your Ward save.

Now OP, the best question is, between R&F troops and monsters, which one do you have trouble killing? Which one can't be killed easily by the rest of your army? I think with that in mind, the answer's kinda obvious: monsters. WoC excels at slaying R&F guys by the truckload, whereas bigger targets can be something we struggle with.

I will say that S8 is a little overkill for monster hunting. You'd be better off with S7, and then using those 25 points elsewhere (like, well, you know, the 3+ Ward save).
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Kurrilino
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Wulfrik
May 30 2013, 12:38 AM
He doesn't want the 3+ Ward because he wants one of the 65 point swords. Those aren't an option if you use up 45 points on your Ward save.

Now OP, the best question is, between R&F troops and monsters, which one do you have trouble killing? Which one can't be killed easily by the rest of your army? I think with that in mind, the answer's kinda obvious: monsters. WoC excels at slaying R&F guys by the truckload, whereas bigger targets can be something we struggle with.

I will say that S8 is a little overkill for monster hunting. You'd be better off with S7, and then using those 25 points elsewhere (like, well, you know, the 3+ Ward save).
ahh i see.....

well easy descission.
Greeat weapon 8Str.
or Halbert 7Str.

both will hack the monster in pieces
and allows the important +3 ward save.
no magic weapon needed.
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Wulfrik
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Kurrilino
May 30 2013, 12:49 AM
well easy descission.
Greeat weapon 8Str.
or Halbert 7Str.

both will hack the monster in pieces
and allows the important +3 ward save.
no magic weapon needed.
First off, Chaos Lords are S5, so a GW will only get you S7, and a halberd S6.

Secondly, why waste the amazing initiative of a Chaos Lord with a great weapon? Also he can't have a shield with it, so he'd be stuck at a 2+ armor.

If he goes with the +2 Strength sword, he can not only have a shield to get him to a 1+ armor save, but he can also still get the 3+ Ward if he so chose.
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MyNameDidntFit
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GW is S7 and Halberd is S6, FYI. Base S of 5 on a Chaos Lord.


/edit: I was beaten to the punch, it seems.
Edited by MyNameDidntFit, May 30 2013, 01:01 AM.
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Wockie
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If you take helm of many eyes you don't need shield and can pair with great weapon for always strikes first S7 action.

If you want magic attacks go for ogre blade for S7 helm of eyes for ASF (which will unlock re-roll to hit on monsters) and take dawnstone for re-roll armour save if you don't want +3wsave. You can even add mundane shield and drop barding which is cheaper and will increase your movement when solo
Edited by Wockie, May 30 2013, 02:30 AM.
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Kurrilino
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sorry my fault.... someone must jhave moved the keys around over night.

Of course it's St7 great and St6 halbert.... my fault
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Kurrilino
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If you have the amazing inkillable Lord, it doesn't matter you have ASL or not.
If you want him perfect put him on a demonic mount, barding
glittering scales, scaly skin, talisman, dragon helm/helm many eyes, reroll 1's, soul feeder, great weapon, crown of command
burning body,

he is -1 to hit
2+ armor
5 St7 attacks
2+ wardsave against fire
soulfeeder
3+ wardsave reroll 1's

this guy will slaughter through elvesor anything, doesn't matter ASL or Dragon world banner.
Edited by Kurrilino, May 30 2013, 02:37 AM.
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Wulfrik
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Wockie
May 30 2013, 02:29 AM
If you take helm of many eyes you don't need shield and can pair with great weapon for always strikes first S7 action.

If you want magic attacks go for ogre blade for S7 helm of eyes for ASF (which will unlock re-roll to hit on monsters) and take dawnstone for re-roll armour save if you don't want +3wsave. You can even add mundane shield and drop barding which is cheaper and will increase your movement when solo
No, because the ASF and ASL cancel each other out. Now you'd just be striking at Initiative, and you'd be denied the best part of ASF: the rerolls.

But yes, the second suggestion works too. Only problem is Stupidity. Even at Ld9, there's always that chance you'll fail and miss a vital charge.
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Wockie
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True...but nothing is certain when you worship the chaos gods :rock:
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Wulfrik
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Kurrilino
May 30 2013, 02:36 AM
glittering scales, scaly skin, talisman, dragon helm/helm many eyes,
Glittering Scales and those Helms take up the same slot: armor. You can't have both.
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Kurrilino
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ok.. don't know whats wrong with me today.... must be the work i am right now.


Helm and scales will not work out.
as well as dragon gem and talisman will not, same spot also

so it would be
demonic mount, barding, great weapon, dragon helm
talisman, scaly skin, soul feeder, reroll one's

If wanted burning body for flaming attacks.
but i try to stay away from flaming attacks for challinging reasons.
Other heroes and lords will always have the gem or the helm.



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Wulfrik
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Kurrilino
May 30 2013, 02:58 AM
ok.. don't know whats wrong with me today.... must be the work i am right now.


Helm and scales will not work out.
as well as dragon gem and talisman will not, same spot also

so it would be
demonic mount, barding, great weapon, dragon helm
talisman, scaly skin, soul feeder, reroll one's

If wanted burning body for flaming attacks.
but i try to stay away from flaming attacks for challinging reasons.
Other heroes and lords will always have the gem or the helm.



Not bad, but I just have to ask, why the Daemonic Mount for a Chaos Lord? He already has T5, and 3 wounds. You'd be better off putting him on a Chaos Steed if you want him mounted. He'll be a lot cheaper that way.

Also, since you're keeping the Chaos armor in this build, there's no reason to have Scaly Skin. With a barded mount of some kind you'd have a 1+ armor.
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