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| Deamon Prince and IF!; yeah almost ate it! | |
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| dajunglebrotha | Jun 1 2013, 12:48 AM Post #1 |
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The Chosen
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So after posting the topic on the DP in CC, I ran em in a 2k game last night using lore of Death against darkelves. They are really annoying to play if you havent already. Anyway the game lasted three turns and every magic phase I rolled IF! I almost lost that 500pt lord to the dang warp 3 TIMES!!! Even though I won and the DP is an excellent choice I dont know If I will be fielding him with magic next time. I got REALLY lucky he didnt eat it. Anyone else seeing this issue and thinking of going back to a not so point heavy sorcerer? |
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| AshBorn | Jun 1 2013, 01:44 AM Post #2 |
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The chance of IFing and getting sucked into the warp on 6 dice is like 1.5% I think... If I did my math right... 6 dice IF is like 1 in 4.... Then rolling the warp result is like 1/9 and then 1/2 to get sucked in. Makes a total of 1/72 chance. Someone correct me if I'm wrong? I wouldn't worry about it. Even if he does get sucked into the warp, the rest of your army will stomp face even without magic. **Changed my math :P Edited by AshBorn, Jun 1 2013, 02:12 AM.
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| Kurrilino | Jun 1 2013, 02:17 AM Post #3 |
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would you mind explaining me your optimism to stomp faces without the general presence, just regular dispel dice and dispel on lvl 0 and no magic against dark elves or elves in general ??? |
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| AshBorn | Jun 1 2013, 02:23 AM Post #4 |
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http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/warriors-chaos/248578-playing-no-magic.html ^^^ You don't need a sorc as Chaos. My Khorne list doesn't even have one in any of its 4 variations. It stomps face... But I am not at a 500 point disadvantage from losing my DP either though so there is that. The loss of a general hurts, but if you have your A game on, I can't count how many times I've come back after losing my wizard/general the first turn/second turn let alone later in the game. If you do IF and get warped, its most likely not going to be in the first few turns its going to be later in the game when you feel 6 dice is worth the risk to change the game. If that happens, then the spell goes off and hopefully the game changes. Otherwise slap yourself for throwing 6 dice. But once Chaos is in combat, the need for magic really dwindles. Really, its such a low probability its not even worth worrying about. 1.5% and then you still have an army that rocks in the best phase in the game, combat? Look at the OPs post too, he IFed three times and still didnt get sucked into the warp. **One more thing, against really heavy magic armies like a slaan, dark elves etc your +4 to dispel from your wizard is not going to make as big of a difference as you think.. You're going to get out magic'ed either way. Edited by AshBorn, Jun 1 2013, 02:39 AM.
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| theorox | Jun 1 2013, 02:58 AM Post #5 |
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In my last game my DP miscasted and died. :( It was my own fault though, the spell I tried to cast wasn't even worth trying to cast at all. I just got greedy and wanted to spend my PD. :P Theo |
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| Kurrilino | Jun 1 2013, 03:31 AM Post #6 |
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how often do you play Skaven ???? I do on a constant base and if you are not completely equiped with dispel scrols or other toys and lvl 4 dispel magic these guys are just overrunning you. He would just play his nasty turn everyone into clanrats spell and there would be nothing you can do about it. Most Skaven player here have 2 lvl 4 caster and its a pain in the butt. Of course the spell is 25+ but it's not a problem for skaven to reach that. Next thing is withering + plaque. This whipes off complete units. I have to admit i never played a Khorne heavy list without magic. But i don't see any way to deal with that because my units have +1 attack |
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| AshBorn | Jun 1 2013, 03:45 AM Post #7 |
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Yeah I play Skaven in 3500 points once every two weeks. Dreaded 13th isn't that scarey unless you run a lot of foot troops which I do yes. But its still a 25 casting cost... If he's going to try to cast that then your level 4 is not going to stop it.. Itll be 6 diced. Wither sucks yeah but against skaven once your in combat, your armor protects you even with lowered toughness. Don't forget, even without a level 4 you can stop one spell per turn if its not IFed just by throwing all your dice at it. Edited by AshBorn, Jun 1 2013, 03:47 AM.
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