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2400 Mono-Tzeentch; So much fun it should be illegal!
Topic Started: Jun 5 2013, 07:38 AM (355 Views)
Tremendous
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Ok, quick background on why this list exists. Used to play WoC when the last paperback AB came out. Played a Mono-tzeentch list then and after getting reaquainted with them after the hardback came out I am returning to my roots.

So, here is my Mono-Tzeentch list thats been alot of fun!



General:
Demon Prince (Lord Tremendous)
Mark Tzeentch
lvl 2
Chaos Armor
Warrior Bane
Charmed Shield
Dragonbane Gem
Chaos Familiar
Scaled Skin
Soul Feeder
Lore of Metal

My general is my spearhead. He slams into a unit of infantry or a monster and beats on them unmerciful until he's either dead or they are. The Lore of Metal spells are more useful here than the Tzeentch because DD and Magic Missiles cant be cast when beating things down in CC. Plus, the unbreakable monster with a 1+/ 5+ Ward with a 2+ ward vs Flaming makes him an epic threat. I've found that the lack of wings sometimes sucks but due to point constraints I have no choice.


Exhalted Hero (Savall the Brutal)
Mark Tzeentch
BSB
Halbred
Talisman of Endurance
Iron Curse Icon

4+ armor and a 4+ ward make him durable enough and the 4 S6 attacks thanks to the Halbred make him a mini DP. :)

Exhalted Hero (Jeth the Appriaser)
Sword of Change
Enchanted Shield
Chalice of Chaos

This guy is my fun Hero. I love the Sword of Change, I love the Chalice, and the shield is pretty nice too. No mark because I dont have the points. He's fun for changing characters into Spawn and the occassional extra DP (Marked Tzeentch of course) is always a blast!

Chaos Sorcerer (Rashlarr the Possessed)
Mark Tzeentch
lvl 2
Chaos Steed
Dispell Scroll
Opal Amulet
Lore of Tzeentch

This is my mobile artillery. He runs around on his steed and zaps at anything that gets in range. Plus he has my dispell scroll and the opal Amulet give him the ability to soak up one Cannon ball if needed.

19X Chaos warriors
Mark Tzeentch
FC
Shields

Bunker for my Sword of change Hero. Anvil. 3+ 5+ makes it a great great unit to tie up those pesky high Strength infantry units. (I'm looking at you White lions)

19X Chaos Warriors
Mark Tzeentch
Great Weapons
FC

Bunker for my BSB. I love these guys. Yea the GW's kill their Ini and I'm on the fence about changing them to Halbreds. Its just the GW units look so cool and if I can get the Lore of Metal spell off that boosts their AS to a 2+ the fact the enemy gets to strike before them is almost irrelavant. Granted it relies alot on getting that spell thru I still enjoy the STR 6 attacks. Monsters beware!

3X Dragon Ogres
Halbreds

Such cool models and a staple in my armies. My go to unit for flank defense.

Chimera
Regen

Gotta have the regenerating Chimera. I'd love to give it flaming breath or poison attacks but points wont allow it.

Mutalith Vortex Beast

This monster was only put in the list, at first, because of the theme I was going for. However, in the games I've played with it it has surpassed my expectations time and time again. Drawing Dispell dice, Occassionally getting its spell off, and pure CC goodness I've been plesently surprised by just how great this unit has been. Those T tests from its spells are great against Empire, Brets, and any flavor elf!

So the list comes in at exactly 2400 points and its alot of fun to have 3 monsters running around the table. The poor Warmachines barely know where to focus their attacks and by the time they've made a decision I'm charging them. Having 2 casters is great for variety and channeling attempts and the PL 5 bound spell is great for extra dice or just to draw out dispell dice. Plus, Almost every unit having a ward or regen save is huge!

Anyway, Comment how you see fit I just wanted to share a list with some different choices in it. I've had alot of compliments from people when they see a WoC list without any Skullcrushers in it. lol!

:)
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guardian angel
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Jun 5 2013, 07:38 AM
Mutalith Vortex Beast

This monster was only put in the list, at first, because of the theme I was going for. However, in the games I've played with it it has surpassed my expectations time and time again. Drawing Dispell dice, Occassionally getting its spell off, and pure CC goodness I've been plesently surprised by just how great this unit has been. Those T tests from its spells are great against Empire, Brets, and any flavor elf!
Well done on trying out a much maligned unit. Sounds like you're starting to really quite like the vortex beast!

How surviable have you found it and has it been good in combat? It's a lot of points for what it may do!
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Only thing I can see is the lack of heavy hitting and the large amount of characters. I think you should either upgrade your DP to level 4 and drop the sorc or dont bother giving any magic levels to your DP.

Flame breath is too good on chimera.

Definitely Halberds on the Warriors and not GW.

Rest looks pretty good.
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Deroga
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Bill?
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Deroga
Jun 5 2013, 10:54 PM
Bill?
Yup! Who's this?

B)
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Jun 5 2013, 03:45 PM
Tremendous
Jun 5 2013, 07:38 AM
Mutalith Vortex Beast

This monster was only put in the list, at first, because of the theme I was going for. However, in the games I've played with it it has surpassed my expectations time and time again. Drawing Dispell dice, Occassionally getting its spell off, and pure CC goodness I've been plesently surprised by just how great this unit has been. Those T tests from its spells are great against Empire, Brets, and any flavor elf!
Well done on trying out a much maligned unit. Sounds like you're starting to really quite like the vortex beast!

How surviable have you found it and has it been good in combat? It's a lot of points for what it may do!
Thank you. :)

At first, including the Mutalith was more fluff than anything else. I didnt expect it to do much other than draw out Dispell dice. However, my underestimation of this unit has shamed me.

It IS NOT, a solo CC monster. However, if my Sword and Board Warriors get into a combat sending this monster into the flank has saved them numerous times. Its T5 and 5+ regen helps it take on most challengers plus having him in the flank or rear negates many attacks. S5 Thunderstomp is still very viable against most infantry.

But, in my opinion, his biggest strength is that stupid little spell he can cast. It literally forces my opponent to throw 2+ dispell dice (Or gamble by throwing one) to stop it. Which is huge, because usually thats half, or almost half, of my opponent's Dispell pool. Which makes getting spells like Glean Magic or Searing doom off almost a freebie. And all I have to do is roll average. On the occassional moment when my opponent lets the Mutalith's spell thru he rarely dissapoints. Its great to see Elves take Toughness tests. :) It really, really is; and when I roll a 6 and get a free spawn to go after his warmachines with? Priceless. What the mutalith really does for me is keeps my opponent on the defensive so I can play the aggressor, which is what WoC excell at imo. They waste so much time going after him that my Chimera can usually slip past his lines and get a choice flank charge on a unit thats not getting as much attention as it should. Plus the model is fantastic! I really enjoy having the model in my army.

Do I win every game? Nope! lol! But I have more fun with this list than with my others.

I am thinking Halbreds are going to get put back on the GW unit though. Losing that INI 5 is starting to handicap me more than I like to admit. Plus, STR 5 is still pretty good. :) lol!

:)
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ToughOne
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This has to be the most detailed Army List I've ever seen!
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Deroga
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I KNEW IT! This is Todd from Dallas area :D. Well,i live in canada now. I sent you a personal message here :D
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Asvaldir
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Mono Tzeetch-good choice. I play a mono Tzeentch list myself.

I think there are a few changes you should make that would really benefit you. First off if you want offensive magic you NEED a L.4 so I'd spend the 70pts on the DP and make him one. Plus with 5 spells from the lore of metal you are almost always going to get glittering robe which is pretty handy as you said, but with 3 spells you often won't get it. To get the pts I'd drop the extra exalted hero as he is cool but not doing much for you.

I'd definatly switch over to halberds. I5 often makes a big difference. Also to consider is Nurgle and Khorne are much better marks for halberd warriors so think about what you get out of giving them Tzeentch. I've found if you put a character in their with the ironcurse icon and give them the liechborne pendant than MoT makes them much more durable against shooting and magic, giving them a +5 ward against warmachines and damage spells.

Can't say I'm a fine of dragon ogres, think trolls would suit your army better but if you like the models keep them as they are not bad.

Nice to hear the mutiliath is working for you as it's a great model to have for a mono Tzeentch army.
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Jun 6 2013, 05:14 AM
Mono Tzeetch-good choice. I play a mono Tzeentch list myself.

I think there are a few changes you should make that would really benefit you. First off if you want offensive magic you NEED a L.4 so I'd spend the 70pts on the DP and make him one. Plus with 5 spells from the lore of metal you are almost always going to get glittering robe which is pretty handy as you said, but with 3 spells you often won't get it. To get the pts I'd drop the extra exalted hero as he is cool but not doing much for you.

I'd definatly switch over to halberds. I5 often makes a big difference. Also to consider is Nurgle and Khorne are much better marks for halberd warriors so think about what you get out of giving them Tzeentch. I've found if you put a character in their with the ironcurse icon and give them the liechborne pendant than MoT makes them much more durable against shooting and magic, giving them a +5 ward against warmachines and damage spells.

Can't say I'm a fine of dragon ogres, think trolls would suit your army better but if you like the models keep them as they are not bad.

Nice to hear the mutiliath is working for you as it's a great model to have for a mono Tzeentch army.
Thanks for the input.

I'm not looking for offensive magic and I dont like having all my casting in one unit. My DP's have a tendency of failing to cast a spell (Ever roll 6 1's? I have.... its hurts... ) or getting killed so the eggs in one basket approch is not longer fun for me. Having 2 lvl 2's with one having the Familiar is good enough for my magic needs.

I like the Extra Exhalted Hero because the Chalice and the sword of change are a blast. Your right though, In the grand scheme of things he's not doing anything for me. THis list is suppose to be more fun than competitive honestly. However, it is proving to be quite competitive. (Although its not perfect I grant you that)

As for the Halbreds, yea, Definately going back to them. Having ini 1 things strike first really sucks. So yea, Halbreds are back in and GW's are out. THan kyou to everyone for the verbal backhands. lol! :)

Your also correct about the Nurgle and Khorne marks but this is my Mono-Tzeentch list and having other marks in the list defeats the purpose. :)

The dragon Ogres, much like the Mutalith, are just personal choices. Not smart ones. lol! I do love those guys though and while they almost never survive 6 turns they always produce. THey are my work horses and I love fielding them.

Thank you for the reply and for the advice. I admit this list isnt as competitive as it could be but its a blast to play with and so far when I lose with this list it doesnt sting as bad. well.... for now anyway. lol!

:)
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Do all those characters clock in under 600? I don't have my book with me, but it might be a list building issue, if that is a concern at all.
The reason that I would put the Demon Prince at lvl 4 is that I don't think that a Tzeentch follower would be elevated to daemonhood if they weren't already a powerful sorcerer, so it does go nicely with the fluff of a mono-Tz.
I may be with you in the minority who thinks it isn't sacrilege to field a vortex beast. I think it actually syngergizes well when you have two other magic users in the army, as you said earlier, and can lead to some fun/interesting games. My main quibble with it is the price tag on the model :-/
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DarkSchneider
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Nice list, but you need some chaff around. Drop a couple of warriors to get at least 2 units of warhounds and you're fine.
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Apollo> You make a good point about the fluff. lol! However, Tzeentch has a combat side too and I'm flirting with the middle ground with this army. My biggest problem with making the DP a lvl 4 is because when he gets his magic phase shut down for X,Y,Z reason. (Failed to cast first spell, out of range for spells, lost wizard levels, Dead, ect) Once he's gone a whole phase is gone and it breaks my heart. I once got wounded by the tormentor sword with him and couldnt stop rolling 10+ for his Stupidity checks. Litterally broke my soul. :( So with 2 lvl 2 casters, and a Mutalith I have 6 spells (The DP has the familiar) to chose from and a solid varity of magic at my disposal no matter what I roll. So far its been useful and helps my magic phase stay solid no matter what condition my casters are in.

Also, I have checked and rechecked my math (In Army builder and on Paper) and my hero's total is 557 believe it or not.

BSB = 186
Exhalted Hero = 155
Sorc = 216

At 2400 points its really hard to fit all the bells and whistles in but I'm reasonably happythat I've gotten them where they're at. :)

DarkSchneider> Your not the first person to tell me that. Thing is, I absolutely hate using Chaff in my WoC armies. THe Dogs just feel like wasted points to me. Not because its wrong to use chaff, it just doesnt suit my play style and for the most part enemy chaff can be dealt with easily enough with MM, DD and, in a pinch, I'll just charge it. I don't do subtle. lol! :)

your not wrong, its just not my play style. :P (Probably a reason I lose some of my games of course. lol!)

Thanks guys!

:)
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