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2500 Tremendous Slickness List; Tzeentch / Slaanesh / Monsters... oh my!
Topic Started: Sep 19 2013, 10:55 AM (1,052 Views)
Tremendous
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Welp, I'm at it again. Changing up my list some. Been watching a ton of You Tube Battle reports (I'm out of town on buisness and had alot of free time so I watched ppl play!) and was inspired!!!

Here's the crazyness that I've adopted to my list.

C&C as you see fit.


CHARACTERS:

Demon Prince (Lord Tremendous)
Mark Tzeentch
Lvl 3 4 Wizard
Chaos Armor / Wings
Charmed Shield
Dragonbane Gem
Other Trickster's Shard
Demon Blade
Soul Feeder
Scaled Skin
Lore of Tzeentch
{555 Points}

This is my DP. I like him because he's slightly out of the ordinary and I'm HOPING that the demonblade works out more for me rather than my opponent. It's a gamble I admit, but I'm excited to see how it pans out. We shall see I guess. :) I went with the Lore of Tzeentch instead of Metal because I'm a huge fan of Infernal Gateway, Blue Fire, Bolt of Change, Treason, and Gleen magic. Metal is nice... but I'm going for offense in this list. Not Utility. Just my Personal Preference. Other than those two things this guy is pretty standard.Made him lvl 4. Now I dont need a scroll and have a powerhouse DP. I figured I'd go big or go home with him.

Exhalted Hero (Tartum, Herald of Tzeentch)
Mark Tzeentch
Demonic Mount (Barded)
Halberd
BSB
Talisman of Preservation
Potion of Foolhardiness
Third Eye of Tzeentch
Poisonous Slime
{276 Points}

My Ultra BSB. I love this guy. Added Poisonous Slime to him since the DP cant use it anymore with the Magic Weapon. I love me some poison!! Other than that, he's my usual kit out... Unkillable, unstopable! :D

Chaos Sorcerer (Ashicus the Muse)
Mark Slaanesh
Lvl 2 Wizard
Steed of Slaanesh
Enchanted Shield
Skull of Katam
Talisman of Endurance
Allure of Slaanesh
Lore of Slaanesh
{240 Points}

At the Suggestion of Adicto I've re-evaluated my Sorcerer's kit and decided he was right. I dropped the Warrior Bane, the Chalice of Chaos, and the Chaos Familiar. Instead I took the Skull of Katam and the Allure of Slaanesh. Now this character will be better at generating Power / dispell dice for me AND anything wanting to attack him in CC will need to take a LD check to do so. And he's 10 points cheaper. :D

CORE:

24 X Chaos Warriors
Mark Tzeentch
Full Command
Hand Weapon / Shields
Blasted Standard
{463 Points}

Standard Solid Anvil equipped with my favorite Magical Banner. (Unless I roll a 1... lol!)

Chariot
Mark Tzeentch
{120 Points}

Chariot
Mark Slaanesh
{115 Points}

New Addition. I saw a few ppl running them and I liked what they were doing with them. The offensive capability and the utility makes them very worth taking imo. Dropped my 2nd unit of warriors in order to fit in a couple. :) I'm optimistic about how it'll go. One of each Mark so to keep with my Theme and give Slaanesh a slight nod of acceptance.

SPECIAL:

5 X Hellstriders (The Pleasure Riders)
Banner / Musician
Spears / Shields
{115 Points}

Great Infiltration / Chaff hunters / Warmachine Hunters / Sorcerer Bunker. I throw them behind enemy lines and let them do what they do. Sometimes, if my opponenet vanguards and I dont, I can get a turn 1 Charge! :D Love this unit! Went back to my original Kit. After Thinking most of the day about it (Was on planes for about 14 hours) I decided the UC was not a smart addition to this unit.

Chimera
Poison / Regen
{260 Points}

The Chimera. Cant say enough good things about this Guy. Regen / Poison is my favorite kit for him. Just absolutely love fielding this monster!

4 3 X Trolls
Extra Hand Weapons
{114 Points}

Went with 3 with Extra hand weapons in order to get the extra magic lvl on my DP. The extra hand weapons make them just as effective for 26 less points.

RARE:

Mutalith Vortex B-E-A-S-T
{240 Points}

Cant play my list without my keystone model. 100% in love with the Mutalith!

So there's the new set up. It comes in at 2498 and I'm pretty happy with that. Its got alot of Targets, alot of hard hitting, High Str and T units, and should give ANY opponent a real run for his money.

Currently my only real concerns about this list are:
#1) THe Demon Blade... Boon.... or Curse?
#2) Flaming attacks... How to get them back into the list. Do I lose the Blasted standard and give them the banner of Eternal Flame..... If I do I really leave my Warriors open to shooting attacks. UGH.... what to do, what to do...


Feel free to comment and critique as you see fit. I'm looking for any feedback.

Thanks!

:D
Edited by Tremendous, Sep 21 2013, 11:36 AM.
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Ashicus79
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Nice list, I see your slowly letting more and more Slaanesh sneak into your list :P But seriously, looks solid enough. should do well against most players. Just watch out though, I know it sounds really random, but your bane just became Bretonnia because of all your Str 5+ stuff... Grrr stupid wards.
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Vantraxx
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Interesting choice with the chimera kit. My choice was always between flame+regen or flame+regen+poison if i needed the extra points. I find the 2d6 flame in combat is usually the difference between winning or loosing the combat. But now you have me thinking, the flame upgrade does push up his points but poison is a solid compromise.
I love trolls. The only footsloggers i have used since our new book tbh. Points vs what they can do is great. You just need to play to their strengths and minimise the leadership/fire issues. My last game against ogres (3k + 50% monsterous arcanum) saw throgg and his 17 trolls get hit head on with a purple sun. As you can imagine throgg and 8 of his trolls died. I was worried they would just fail stupidity checks but they were close to my DP and the bsb with skullcrushers were right next to them so they proceeded to keep fighting, anyway love the new list. Goodluck with it.
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kuwanger23
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I love the idea behind the trolls. A cheap hard hitting unit. I love the tzeentch warriors as an anvil. Let me know how the Vortex beast does for you. I am running one with my Tzeentch half of my army.
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Tremendous
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@ Ashicus, Thanks Bud! Your right about Brets, but if you remember my last encounter against Brets it didnt matter. My opponent couldnt stop making his ward saves. Which is why so many of the lakes around my area have suddenly become dumping grounds for Toxic waste! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

@ Vantraxx, Yea, I would like the Flaming Breath but its just so many points for a 1 use item for the Chimera. I've tried using it a few times before but it never really panned out for me. Since the Chimera's Ini is so low anything I ran into with Regen still had regen when my higher Ini units were attacking and even when I used it with the chimera the regen unit still got their regen saves vs the Chimera's other attacks because they happen on the same ini. :( Maybe if I had some greatweapon users in my list it would be worth it on the chimera, but, I cant (Just my opinion) justify the points for it. On a Lord or DP sure, but not my Chimera. Poison and regen are staples though. LOVE me some Poison attacks! lol! I'm looking forward to trying out the trolls. Just going to have to really watch where I place my DP and BSB. I hate the idea of putting my BSB in with the trolls but we'll see. I need a few games with this list! :D

@ Kuwanger, Yea man the Mutalith is the Keystone of my army. I've been using him in all my lists for months now. In fact, He's in every one of my You Tube BR's. He always performs and is just one of the greatest additions to our Army book! I would not field a WoC Army without a Mutalith!

Thanks for the replies all. I'll be getting a few games in this Saturday. So BR's should be up by Sunday night or Monday morning.

Exciting! :D
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adicto
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Your list will definitely surprise everybody! it has the potential of owning the enemy in a ridiculously fast way, but I think you overinvested in some models:
- The Daemonblade seems cool, but remember that it costs 50pts and, unless you roll 3 or higher, your prince will have the same or less attacks than without it. Even worse! you could roll 3 or less and hit yourself with most of them. It isn't worth a single point... not even in a sorcerer lord (unholy strike is much, much better).
- Poisoned attacks are great on low/average strength models or models with a bunch of attacks, but your BSB only has 4 S6 attacks, so that gift is a bit wasted on him.
- Your lvl2 is really expensive. I would give him Enchanted Shield + Dawnstone instead of those items, and definitely drop Chaos Familiar. You won't have enough power dice to cast all those spells (not even counting mutalith's bound spell), so the Skull of Katam seems much more fitting (don't worry about losing LD, your guy has the Mark of Slaanesh).
- MoT warriors are good when you put a character with Ironcurse Icon and MR in that unit, but otherwise MoN warriors are better, since you will always recieve more hits than wounds. Anyway, 25 is probably too much, as they are too slow to be able to keep up with the rest of your army. 20(5x4) is the right size for defensive warriors.
- I fear your chariots won't perform as good as nurgle chariots and you will despise them for the rest of this edition. If you want to keep your theme (you should!), just put MoS on both of them. M8 MoS is perfect for baiting people, as MoS horsemen showed so many times before.
- I don't have any experience with the mutalith, but it seems an "ok" monster if you are not willing to include skullcrushers or hellcannons. It has a low-average profile for a ground monster, so use him with caution.


I hope that helped!
Edited by adicto, Sep 19 2013, 03:03 PM.
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Tremendous
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@ Adicto, Thanks for the input bud! :) I agree with you about the Demonblade being a gamble. But in all fairness I only have a 1 in 6 chance of getting 1 less attack, a 1 in 6 chance of getting the same amount, and a 4 in 6 chance of getting more than the usual 5 attacks a DP gets. All at STR 6 which is really good. Although I hurt myself on a to hit roll of a 1 I'm banking (or maybe I should say gambling on. lol!) on my Armor, Ward, and if all else fails, my Soul Feeder, to recover any damage I may do to myself. This item is more of a gimmick for me than anything else. I wanted to try something different. Do not be surprised if you see me drop this item after a game or two if it doesnt pan out! lol :)

I disagree with the poisoned attacks on the BSB. I throw this guy into some pretty nasty match ups and anytime I can auto wound by rolling a 6 to hit is a win. I put a Halberd on my BSB so he's STR 6 which is great for when I throw him into a Phoenix, Dragon, Stegadon, or anything else that has a T value I might have trouble wounding.

Very good point about the Slaanesh sorcerer. I wouldnt have a problem dropping the Sword and the Chalice... but I dont really have anywhere to put the 20 extra points I'd save by dropping them. I've thought about dropping it all and giving him the Armor of destiny but having only a 4+ / 4++ makes me nervous with him. Its good food for thought though and I may re-address his kit soon. Thanks for the idea! :)
As for the familiar, I like it for the extra Slaanesh spell. I dont need to cast all my spells, I just want to ensure I get the ones I want in most of the games, which is the only reason I'm taking the Chaos familiar over the Skull of Katam. Although, I am sorely tempted to swap them out for the other kit. Although.... the skull would be a real bonus..... hmmm..... you make a solid point Bud, I'll fiddle with his kit out and update the list. Ty ty :)

The MoT warriors stay as is. :) I love that unit and while your 100% right the Nurgle warriors are better for the cost this is a themed list so I cant take Nurgle. (Or rather wont) They are a 6X4 brick simply because I needed to make sure I hit my Min Core Requirement and because I like having the big slow brick as the spine of the army. Its strange how much I miss the few extra attacks a 24 X brick gets over the 20X brick.

The Chariots are marked as they are for Theme purposes is all. One Chariot for Each God Represented in my Army. Just seemed fair is all. lol! :)

The Multalith is a Godsend man. It pulls out Dispell dice, if its spell goes off its almost always teriffic, Its solid in combat, and it looks amazing. I literally think of the Mutalith as the Keystone of my army. I could not recommend one more. :)

Thanks against for the suggestions. I'm going to tweak my Slaanesh caster and post the results.

:D
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the witt
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Looks like a solid list. I always play with at least a couple of units of dogs but chaff is big locally.

Just one point: remember if you give your Hellstriders a champion there are no longer 5 rank and file models and thus a sorcerer joining them won't be getting LOS
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dajunglebrotha
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lol time for a batrep!!!
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Tremendous
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@the witt, Very true. Which is why I did it. My Sorcerer has a 1+ / 5++. He's much more surivable than the rest of the unit so I'm hoping he can start soaking up some of the light shooting they take early on. If someone shoots a cannon or whatever into him.... that's going to suck but I guess its better my opponent shoots a high STR shot at them rather than anything else in my list. Also, Chaff is just not something I use. Honestly it just dont know how. I mean I get the purpose and I get the reason for them, I just hate playing with them because it doesnt go with my playstyle. Hence no chaff in my lists. :) Smart.... nope! Honest?.... Yup! :D

@ Dajunglebrotha, Couldnt agree more! Just gotta get some games in! Hopefully by Sunday! :)
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Ashicus79
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Actually, I wold say KEEP the familiar, I know it means not having the skull, but how many times has that sorcerer payed for itself? Honestly, I'd look at maybe addressing his other items. Since he's with a fast unit, he's really able to pretty much pick and choose which combats he is in. So my suggestion would be something to give him a tiny bit more defense and then something with a little more clout.
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pszczesn
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Pretty strong list as always :) however you could consider
- dispel scroll
- some source of flaming attacks
- 6 trolls over 4 for ranks and more dmg output
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kuwanger23
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhrrrrgh ok Tremendous, I have been looking at that Damn Vortex beast all day! I am buying one to paint! It looks too cool not to have.
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Sep 21 2013, 03:22 AM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhrrrrgh ok Tremendous, I have been looking at that Damn Vortex beast all day! I am buying one to paint! It looks too cool not to have.
Best, Decision, EVER!

:D
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yay batreps good deal! That lizardmen battle was a nail biter even with both your sorcerers MIA, lol. Do you think 3 trolls is enough in that unit after these two battles?
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