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| Noma | Oct 13 2013, 12:04 PM Post #1 |
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Warrior of the Chamber
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Hello all, I'm recently getting back into the fantasy scene after a year and a half hiatus. I acquired the new(rather newer) 8th edition WoC codex and some of the new models to boot(amazing models, loving the skullcrusher's). I'm posting here in hopes to get some feedback about a list I plan to run over the next few months in preparation for a friendly tournament. The tournament rules are basically, 3000 points 1 lord only(We don't like too much cheese). Basically the list I have now is the list I'll be practicing with and tweaking over the next few weeks. Daemon Prince(555) -Daemon of Nurgle -Fly -Level 4 Wizard -Chaos Armor -Sould Feeder -Flaming Breath -Scaled Skin -dragonbane gem -Charmed Shield -other trickster's shard Throgg Wintertooth, King of Trolls(XXX) Exalted Hero(246) -BSB -Mark of Tzeentch -great weapon -enchanted Shield -Talisman of Preservation -daemonic steed -burning body 5x Chaos Warhounds(XX) 17x Chaos Trolls(646) 6x3 -additional hand weapons Chaos Chariot(125) -mark of nurgle Chaos Chariot(125) -mark of nurgle Chaos Chariot(125) -mark of nurgle Gorebeast Chariot(140pts) -Mark of Khorne Chimera(275) -Flaming Breath -Regerating Flesh 4x Skullcrushers of Khorne(337) -Enscorcelled Weapons -musician -standard bearer -gleaming pennant) Hellcannon(XXX) 2994 points Contemplating the use of the hellcannon to be honest. I have the model, but I'm not sure it's better than say another chimera or even another couple of chariots. Edited by Noma, Oct 13 2013, 12:05 PM.
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| Tremendous | Oct 13 2013, 02:06 PM Post #2 |
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Welcome to the forums! I looked over your list and after running the numbers I found a few things I'd like to address. 1) Your DP build (As put on this thread) isnt 555. Is comes up to 530. Maybe you missed a Mutation / power or something but with everything kitted out as your put it here he is only 530 points. (Or I missed something, Either is possible. lol!) 2) The Enchanted shield on your BSB. I mean, I guess its not a big deal to have it on him for weathering shooting and certain magical attacks on your way into CC. But with movement 8, (I'm assuming you left barding off of him for this reason), a 3+ Ward, and a Great weapon I just dont see the purpose. You cant use it in CC (Which I'm sure you know) and you really dont need it with your 3+ Ward. Give him the Third Eye of Tzeentch and you get to re-roll 1's for your ward. You're set and dont have to take the mostly useless Enchanted shield. Hell, make the Mount Barded and you'll have a 2+ AS in and out of CC without the shield! 3) You only have 2 Banners in this list. A BSB and the SC banner. So your Fortitude is a 4. At 3k points, I'm pretty certain that once you lose a single banner or your DP dies you've lost the game. I dont know if the tournaments you attend run any fortitude scenerios but if they do you're at a real disadvantge. Especially if the opponent you face during that game has anything Armor ignoring attacks. (Bolt Throwers, cannons, Lore of Metal, ect) You could lose the game REALLY fast. I would suggest finding a way to add a banner or two to this list. Maybe with fast cav, or possibly a small unit of Knights? Hell, Ogres will do in a pinch. 4) The total I got for this army (As written) was 2930 meaning you have 70 points left to play with. Add another unit of dogs and give both units Vanguard. That way, if you run into a O&G list you have something to release fanatics with. Or, if you arent facing O&G you have redirectors, Frenzy Fodder, and Great chaff for a list that doesnt have much movement control. Nothing would be better for this army than acouple of fast units that could redirect flaming attacks away from your trolls. Anyway, Thats what I saw. Hope this helps! :) |
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| Noma | Oct 13 2013, 02:17 PM Post #3 |
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Warrior of the Chamber
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Lord Tremendous! I watch your bat reps all the time on youtube! Thank you for hours of entertainment first off, and second, thank you for your feedback it's greatly appreciated! I'll be honest, I've been thinking of trying to fit a unit of sword and board tzeentch warriors in the list, but I'm worried about them falling behind. My thought is, that it gives me a bit more of a chance in fortitude scenarios as you've mentioned. They don't always come up, but if they did I'd probably be screwed. Haha. Maybe I could drop a chariot and a few trolls to fit in a unit of warriors for an extra banner? |
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| Tremendous | Oct 13 2013, 02:41 PM Post #4 |
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lol! You're welcome bud! Glad you're enjoying the Battle reports! Got a few more coming up in the next few days so stay tuned! :) Personally, I wouldnt drop any trolls because thats your Hammer AND Anvil unit to which all combat should focus. I would SUGGEST dropping one chariot for a unit of Marauder Horsemen with Banner, musician, Spears, Shields, and either Throwing Axes or Javelins,(Mark to taste). They come in around 115-120 points (So slightly cheaper than the Chariot) and give you that extra banner. If you find yourself in a Fortitude game you simply run this unit (They're fast cav so its easy) away from the shooting and combat and keep the banner safe. Just one unit beings you up to Fortitude 5 and if your opponent is chasing them around the rest of your army moves up unscathed. Plus, For non-Fortitude scenerios, they're a great unit to snag a last minute objective or contest one from your opponent. Plus, they're fast enough to keep up with the rest of your army. Its up to your Bud but I hope this helps! :D |
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| Noma | Oct 13 2013, 03:07 PM Post #5 |
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Warrior of the Chamber
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Looking forward to the bat reps man! :) Alright, so taking your advice this is what I came up with. Daemon Prince(515) -Daemon of Nurgle -Fly -Level 4 Wizard -Chaos Armor -Sould Feeder -chaos familiar -Scaled Skin -dragonbane gem -Charmed Shield -other trickster's shard Throgg Wintertooth, King of Trolls(XXX) Exalted Hero(259) -BSB -Mark of Tzeentch -great weapon -shield -third eye of tzeentch -Talisman of Preservation -daemonic mount -barded 5x Chaos Warhounds(XX) 5x Chaos Warhounds(XX) 5x Marauder Horseman(110) -spears -throwing axes -mark of slaanesh -musician -standard bearer 17x Chaos Trolls(646) 6x3 -additional hand weapons Chaos Chariot(125) -mark of nurgle Chaos Chariot(125) -mark of nurgle Gorebeast Chariot(140) -mark of khorne Chimera(275) -Flaming Breath -Regerating Flesh 4x Skullcrushers of Khorne(337) -Enscorcelled Weapons -musician -standard bearer -gleaming pennant Hellcannon(XXX) 2997 As you can see, I tweaked out my daemon just a tad. Instead of flaming breath he now has chaos familiar which I figured could come up big now and again since I lack a support caster in this list. BSB got a regular shield, the third eye of tzeentch(which by the way, I didn't read fully until just now...what a sexy item!) and I gave him barding. Dropped a chariot in favor of the unit of marauder fast cav. I was looking at taking shields, but I'm not sure the 5+ save would make too much of a difference. Slaanesh ensures that they don't panic. I like throwing axes for the bonus strength as well. Finally, I added a second unit of dogs for pesky things and for taking shots. Tell me what you think. :) |
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| Tremendous | Oct 13 2013, 10:31 PM Post #6 |
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Not bad at all :) Should serve you very well! Try it out in a few games and let us know how it goes! :) |
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| Noma | Oct 14 2013, 12:30 AM Post #7 |
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Warrior of the Chamber
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Will do! Thanks again for the help! :) |
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| Noma | Oct 14 2013, 12:49 AM Post #8 |
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I also noticed in your bat reps, you run poison attacks on your chimera. Is this better than running the breath weapon? What is the reasoning? Just curious. |
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| Tremendous | Oct 14 2013, 03:53 AM Post #9 |
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I run Poison / regen on the Chimera (TRI-FECTION) Because I love Poisoned attacks. Plus, If I dont have to roll to wound then thats even better (Takes luck / karma out of the equation) I dont use the Flaming breath on him because its WAY to expensive for the way I use him. And at INI 2 its not going to help stop any regen saves since everything in my army pretty much strikes before Ini 2. So sure, it could boost the Combat res for a turn if I roll well, but more than likely any unit he uses the breath weapon against is going to be stead fast anyway, and with 6-9 attacks and Thunderstomp, Poison just seems to be the better (and cheaper) Option. So far it hasnt let me down. I'm not trying to say DONT use the Chimera's Breath weapon attack. Its just, for my needs, I dont want it. :) Hope that helps! :D |
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| Noma | Oct 14 2013, 04:56 AM Post #10 |
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Oh ya, I get what you're saying. My only concern is the lack of flaming attacks I might have against an army of say vampire counts, or even another warriors army with lots of regen models. Makes me miss my warriors with banner of flame, but at the same time I like the monstrous list a lot more. So I guess flaming breath can serve it's purpose. Do you think it would be worth trying to include the poison attacks and just kit out the chimera completely? TRI-FECTION is my second favorite next to the Mutalith Vortex B-E-A-S-T! haha. Love that guy. :) |
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| GeneralofChaos42 | Oct 14 2013, 05:00 AM Post #11 |
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The Puppet Master
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Good list and you should do fine with it. |
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| Noma | Oct 14 2013, 05:05 AM Post #12 |
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Thanks! I appreciate the feedback :) I'm hoping that my generalship isn't too rusty and I don't get tabled by turn 5 or something haha. |
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| Tremendous | Oct 14 2013, 05:09 AM Post #13 |
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The only MANDATORY gift for the Chimera is Regen. Other than that its 100% up to you as to what other gifts you bestow upon him. :) Tri-Fection is the kit I persoanlly love but plenty of people go Regen / Flaming Breath. Others go full kit which isnt a bad idea, and of course theres the bare bones Chimeras with regen only. As long as at least regen is on him you cant go wrong. I'm fortunate enough that my warriors have the Banner of eternal flame so I've got flaming attacks covered. If you need your chimera (or just want him to have) to have flaming attacks then by all means do it! :D Just remember to feed him for the choices corpses from your most brutal of battles. It keeps them fat and happy. :D |
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| Noma | Oct 14 2013, 05:49 AM Post #14 |
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Man you guys are great, thanks for the replies! I'm thinking I'll leave it as is and just test out how flaming breath works. I'm going to play my friends vamp count army this week so we'll see how the list fairs then! Oh, and of course I feed my pets! They're never starved! This much I promise you :D |
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| Noma | Oct 14 2013, 05:51 AM Post #15 |
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Oh, and I don't have his list, but what's a good strat against the vamp counts? I know he has tons of infantry in his list which could put the breath weapon to good use. Otherwise, I'm a little frightened of the terrorgheist. Especially after I saw what it did to your DP in that bat rep. Sorry for the 20 questions! :P Edited by Noma, Oct 14 2013, 05:53 AM.
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