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1Q
Could you define "demonic obsession" and "demonic oppression"? What's
the difference between being "obsessed" and being "oppressed" by evil
spirits in soul or body? Do they signify different levels of influence
from the evil spirits? If so, does it mean obsession always takes
place before oppression or the other way?

Obsession describes control from the mental and emotional perspective.
This could be via a thought or an emotional trauma or hurt. In the end
a constant pattern of thought or emotion controls everything in the
person's life. In oppression, it is in the physical body area and can
(but not always relate to a physical ailment - it could be just a
physical discomfort or habit) lie within the subconscious autobody
functions of the person. There are degrees of obsession and oppression
and either one need not take place before the other. Some oppression
and obsession comes from genetic lines - weakness of frequencies in a
race (all genetic races have their inherent strengths and weaknesses),
culture, ancestral habits or diets, family, etc - which are taken
advantage of by the enemy.

2Q
Since a Christian cannot be possessed by evil spirits, when he is
oppressed demonically in body, does it mean that the evil spirits are
inside his physical body although not his spirit because he's born
again? This is a common teaching among Pentecostal/Charismatic
deliverance ministries, they also believe that born again Christians
cannot be possessed, but since oppression is of the "body," not
spirit, so casting demons out of a Christian's "body" is Scriptural.
What are your thoughts.

No, a weakness in a physical body can be taken advantage of without
geographical dependence - all in needs is similarity of frequency.
Something like a radio, TV or phone connection to create the symptom
or habit. The language of the deliverance can be 'out' 'cease' etc. as
these are all human terms to elicit freedom - the Spiritual World
answers according to the sense of what we need in our communication
and not to our accuracy of technical knowledge in our language - the
same with the enunciation of Jesus' Name. What we belief should always
be Scripturally based and there are no biblical examples of casting
out devils from Christians. The example of Simeon in Acts 8 seems to
indicate that he needs to self-repent and self-free himself from the
root of bitterness through his own repentance and knowledge of Christ.

3Q
Can evil spirits not be inside a Christian no matter what? I
understand that you've mentioned how evil spirits could influence
Christians even from far away places, but when they manifest and speak
or act through oppressed Christians in a very obvious way (e.g. voice
seeming to change, losing mind etc.), are they not inside their bodies
in order to do that? Many times when oppressed Christians are
delivered, they seem to "vomit" and then they got delivered, seem to
be that the evil spirits have been cast out of their bodies so the
result testify that they were indeed delivered afterward. Appreciate
your comment.

When you hear a voice in a phone or radio or television, it does not
mean that the speaker in the phone, radio or television. From my
experiences in the Spiritual World, it is not possible for demon
possession to take place in a genuinely born again Christian. And
there are obsessions and oppressions that look like possession but
they are not. The demons that are capable of bodily possession do not
mess around with those with Jesus' light within them. Outside of these
demons, there are very few demons capable of taking on higher level
possession. Most of them prefer to exercise their pleasure at a
distance. We need to understand why demons possess people. Their only
reason is that they are spirits that are bounded to certain physical
pleasures. Thus in trying to still experience these pleasures in their
disembodied states, they link up with humans who have the same
weakness in these pleasures. The higher demons who possess for the
sake of sadism and pain are fewer and can only work on human subjects
that are really, really weak and have lost most of their free will
capacity and strength. The vomiting is just a reflex action of the
body - similar to goose bumps - which can be caused by any number of
things. We NEVER build our theology on empirical and sense knowledge;
otherwise we will be like the early Christians who believe that the
world was flat and that the sun goes round the earth, and other
foolish things.


4Q
If evil spirits are not inside a believer's body when he is obsessed
or oppressed, does it mean that these evil spirits follow around these
Christians all the time? If they are following them outside in order
to oppress them and not in their bodies, won't they come into some
kind of conflict with the guardian angels of these Christians who are
also around these Christians all the time?

If by follow, you mean monitor, Yes. Spirits can monitor humans at a
distance - similar as when a security personnel monitors individuals
through video cameras. In the first place, if there are weaknesses of
frequencies (which must take place first before oppression or
obsession) already in place through inherited weaknesses or free-
choice weaknesses, the guardian angels cannot do anything about it
unless help is asked of them. What we allow through our free will
(good or bad) is respected by the guardian angels. We need to choose
to be free, to be free.

5Q
When a person (non-Christian) is possessed by evil spirits, are these
demons "living inside his spirit"? Can we also say that these evil
spirits are also in his body because his spirit takes residence in his
body?

To my knowledge, there are very few types of demons which can truly
possess a person. Most of them would prefer to enjoy the pleasures of
oppression and obsession at a distance. Demons (evil spirits) feel
very restricted in a physical body and would only do so when they are
assured that the physical body would give them a measure of freedom of
expression through their dominance of the human.

6Q
When a person is possessed or obsessed or oppressed before he receives
Christ and thus the Holy Spirit, what happens at the moment of
conversion? If he originally has demons inside him as an unbeliever,
will those demons leave his spirit/body automatically the moment when
he receives Christ and comes to salvation? Many Christians seem to
have got delivered only later on but their born again experience
before was genuine. Appreciate your comment.

For the majority, the demons leave even before the born-again
experience (as the person is moving in the direction of being preached
to and being converted), and the conversion just seals the frequency
weaknesses that may have allowed the entrance of demons. So in a sense
you can say that the whole process takes place automatically -
although one needs to bear in mind that very few people are actually
possessed. For those that are totally possessed, we see many of them
being delivered publicly with demons cast out and then they accept
Christ. When you say that you see Christians being delivered after
they are born again, it is usually through the prominence of the wrong-
theology group who advocate dramatic displays of stirring up
manifestations and it looks like deliverance but it is nothing but
emotional noise and smoke. Some people seem to be helped but most of
them DO NOT remain free (they live in constant fear of being
repossessed and need constant bouts of deliverance therapy to maintain
their freedom). They are ONLY truly free when they gain knowledge of
their authority in Christ.

Remember that if a person believes in the theology that some
predestined to be saved and some lost, the devil will always use that
theology to convince people that they are destined to be lost. If the
theology says that some are destined to be healed and some are not,
the devil will always use that to convince people that they are among
the group not destined to be healed. If the theology says that
Christians can be possessed, the devil will use that to keep
Christians in fear of being possessed (which would actually just be
mental and emotional obsession and oppression but they will feel it
like a possession and become paralysed and ineffective in their lives)
and even use the wrong belief to oppress them. In the Spiritual World,
what we believe is very important and has its recompense effect on us.

7Q
What are the signs that we can say that a Christian is "oppressed" or
"obsessed" demonically? Many people tell from experiencing hearing
voices, manifesting under the presence of God etc.

There are no standard signs. That is why we need the gift of
discerning of spirits and the growth of discernment to see in the
spiritual realm.

8Q
Just to confirm, if I were to teach on demonology and makes the
statement that "although the soul and body can be obsessed and
oppressed by evil spirits, but they can never be INSIDE or LIVING
WITHIN a believer's spirit, soul and body no matter what and under all
circumstances," is this statement correct?

Yes, it is theologically sound and correct. It is also the only type
of theology that will produce faith and total freedom for the
believer. Have you noticed that when people start reading or being
exposed to the wrong theology type of preaching, they immediately
begin to sense demons and feel all kinds of oppression? They don't
realise that it is the wrong theology itself that is opening them up
to those oppression. It would be like making tools from radioactive
materials and always wandering why there is such a prominence of
cancers around those who use them. Worst, it leads many foolish ones
to conclude that they succeeded in bringing 'invisible' cancers to the
surface as they used their unique tools. Foolish ones. If they can
only see that they themselves are causing it, diagnosing it and trying
to treat it at the same time. You shall know the truth and the truth
will set you free. If you believe correctly in the right Scriptural
theology, you will be free.
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