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| A Sip of Discernment Please...; Work Ethics... | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 17 2004, 06:07 PM (117 Views) | |
| Stace4Jesus | Apr 17 2004, 06:07 PM Post #1 |
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Hey Ya'll Tell me what you think.. Case One... I know an employer who has an onsite employee who is not able to handle the work load that is coming in for the next "season." This employer hired a man to work along side of the onsite, permanently hired man, but this employer is paying the "temp" man 100.00 a day and the permanent man only 100.00 a week. The temp man receives more in one week than the hired worker does in a month. Case Two... A contractor comes in and offers to do a job for 100.00 saying that it would only take them two days to do the work, and then brings in a crew to work but it takes them four days to fulfill the contract, four days with four people of hard labor, (= 25.00 a day for four people = $6.25 a day per person). They are still only paid the $100.00 Is this right? I am deeply disturbed by these things. What to do? What to think? How to pray with authority? What exactly is the authority? Shalom stacie |
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| Bill and Joan | Apr 17 2004, 10:45 PM Post #2 |
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Hi Stacie, Hope the sip doesn't prove to be too hot but I am going to serve you what I believe the Lord showed me. In Case One.... As I read it I was instantly reminded of the workers in the vineyard. Some were hired early in the morning. Others came a couple of hours later and still others hours after them. Yet, when the day was finished, every man received a penny, even those who had worked more hours than the others. Some did not think this was fair and murmured to the owner of the estate. But the owner says to them that he did them not injustice and proceeds to say, "Am I not permitted to do what I choose with what is mine? [Or do you begrudge my being generous?] Is your eye evil because I am good?" Matthew 20:15 It sounds like the first worker agreed to work for the $100 per week. That the employer hired the second worker at $100 per day certainly doesn't sound fair to me and isn't how I would do it, but I am not this employer and the money is his to use as he chooses. Case two..... This one I can answer from the natural as my brother is a contractor and has told of the times he has unbid someone else to get a job only to find that the job required more work then he first estimated. Results - it cost him more time and labor than expected and he lost money rather than making any. Believe me, it only took a couple of times doing this before he learned that you have to make sure you don't underbid someone else just to get a job! As a contractor you have a responsiblity to assess the time and labor required to get a job done. That is what a contractor does. If you under estimate these things then the fault is yours and not the one who hired you. That's like hiring a baby-sitter at $5 an hour but when you get back home the baby sitter says it's going to cost you $10 an hour instead. Of course you might get upset with that and the baby sitter reasons that it's going to cost you more because the baby didn't take a nap like the expected and instead of taking 30 minutes to give the baby their bath and getting them ready for bed it took an hour. Well, things might have taken longer than the babysitter expected but the fact remains that you and they had agreed upon a price for them to babysit. That things didn't work out the way they expected is not your problem but theirs. Sounds like a case of learning better business or craft skills. Stacie, I don't know if that helps at all but I sure hope it does. There are many things in life that do not appear fair and, in reality, are not. But that is part of life and that is why we are not to take life and all it entails for granted. We need skills. We need wisdom. We need understanding. We need Jesus!!! Love, Joan |
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| Stace4Jesus | Apr 17 2004, 11:55 PM Post #3 |
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Hey Thanks.. it was quite warm, but an honest drink. The scriptures that you gave concerning the man who hired workers was the same one that I had received. And the contractors' imaturity was also an element of consideration. Thing is, on both of the answers I had, which agreed with yours, I did not stand on them. I went too far into the emotional realm of the matter. I think the first matter has a "stern" seriousness attached to it. And the second is painful to watch, but the employer does not need my improper evaluation of the matter to make things complicated for him. Thank you Thank YOU Heavenly Father! Shalom stacie |
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| Stace4Jesus | Apr 18 2004, 12:44 AM Post #4 |
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Hey again, Did you have any leading by the Holy Spirit concerning the scriptures in James 5:4? That was another scripture that was very loud. Shalom stacie |
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| Barb | Apr 18 2004, 06:02 AM Post #5 |
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Stacie I agree with Joan 100% and also saw the relationship to the vinyard parable. I also understand your 'anger' at the injustice you have percieved. HOWEVER (you knew this was coming) I was also given the scripture in Thes 4:11. James 5:4 I believe would ONLY apply if an agreement had been made to pay a specific amount to these workers and then the employer did not pay what he agreed to pay. It appears this is not the case here. While it appears obvious that the employer is engaging in what many would see as immoral he is not sinning nor is he breaking any laws as long as he is holding up his end of the agreement. As far as the employees and the stark contrast in wages etc, it is up to them to work it out with the employer not you. Don't allow your flesh to rise up. Stand firm in the truth and appeal to the highest authority of all. Anything else, in my opinion, would fall into areas of manipulation, control etc Hope this helps Love you Barb |
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| Bill and Joan | Apr 18 2004, 12:53 PM Post #6 |
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Hi Stacie, Just wanted to let you know that I was not led to James 5:4 nor did I sense the Holy Spirit letting me know that it applied to this situation. I pray you find peace in this situation. Love, Joan |
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| Stace4Jesus | Apr 18 2004, 05:47 PM Post #7 |
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 Thank you very much. May God's peace rule. shalom stacie |
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| TheGloryisHere | Sep 10 2006, 10:01 AM Post #8 |
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Okay, I guess I wasn't here two years ago when this was posted. My first nick no longer has the time I started, so I forget. I think it was when I became an owner of the list I pastor, which would have been in march 2005. Think that's when I started at Crosslight under the Caroline nick. (edited my rambling. LOL Still rambling from yesterday.) Anyway, back to what I was going to post... As soon as I began reading the first case, I saw the story of the Vineyard that Jesus had told, just like Joan and Barb saw. The penny in those days was probably minimum wage for that day. Caroline |
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| Stace4Jesus | Sep 10 2006, 01:10 PM Post #9 |
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Well, it was a long time ago, and I am glad that you brought it back up. Here is what happened, things that I could not have known then, but do now. The first worker.. the one paid 100.00 a week, was fired. He gave the Lord no honor in the work that he did and it was a terrible job. (The second man is still fixing up his messes around the park) If this first worker had done a good job, the boss would have increased his pay. The boss was correct. The second worker is a really cool thing. He is a man of God. He honors the Lord. He works for my boss, but will tell you quickly that he is actually working for The Boss in Heaven. He is prompt, does a good job, and is honorable. Ie.. He is a covenant man and you can see how the Lord protected His man in this job. The contractors... they bombed. I have never seen paneling put on sideways with the pattern going from the east to west when it should go north to south.  We still got our Covenant man.  Somethings take time to see and learn. This situation took awhile to see the Lord's hand move over time. But, it was worth it. God is good. stace 
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