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Preeminence; I don't understand this....
Topic Started: Apr 22 2004, 09:14 PM (64 Views)
Stace4Jesus	Apr 22 2004, 09:14 PM Post #1
Administrator Posts: 3,225 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: March 6, 2004	Hey, I don't understand what this person is saying. I don't understand Preeminence. I have had this word quickened by the Holy Spirit two times today. What He is saying to me just isn't clicking in me. The Lord led me to Watchman.net today and to an article by Chip Brogden about "The Remnant Principle as Exemplified in Daniel" found at: Click *** Here for the Watchman Net web page for reference Anyway, Chip said in part three: ~~~~~~ The "church service" does not provide a service to the Lord, but to us. It is not so much the service that I have a problem with as the sense of disconnectedness to God's ultimate Plan. From the perspective of Heaven I look down at all these church services and gatherings and meetings and what do I see? I see little hurricanes of activity, spinning around in a circle, disconnected from each other, and worse, having no correlation to God's Thought. Just an endless succession of services, gatherings and meetings that fulfill no purpose outside of themselves. A lot of wind and noise, but going nowhere. What is the problem here? The problem is that we have lost that sense of Ultimacy. Most Christians do not understand the meaning of "preeminence", and even those who do, find it difficult to articulate it as God's Purpose for Christ, or even understand the ramifications of such a preeminence upon themselves, the Church, the world, and all Creation. That is not meant as a criticism, but as a statement of fact. Their vision penetrates no further than their own little world. The entire object of their faith is to make things more bearable for them here on earth. God is there to save them, heal them, and provide for them. Heaven is something to sing about and a place to look forward to, but it is not a present reality and the object of their affection here and now, or something to be demonstrated and brought to bear upon earth's "reality". Church exists to get them through from one meaningless week to the next. The ministry exists to keep them propped up and pumped up. We are afflicted with a chronic smallness. Our God is too small, our Jesus is too small, our perception of Heaven is too small, our idea of Church is too small, our concept of following Jesus is too small. Without a vision we are a small, petty, trifling people. May God give us the revelation of Christ! ~~~~~~~~~ Unquote What is he trying to say? How does it apply to life? Shalom stacie



Bill and Joan	Apr 22 2004, 11:37 PM Post #2
Administrator Posts: 2,756 Group: Co-Admin Member #7 Joined: March 10, 2004	Hi Stacie, I am going to quickly share with you what I believe Chip is saying and that is that God's people, in general, are not doing what the Lord would have us do in our church meetings. These meetings are geared towards the people rather than at Him. What stands out in my mind is the Lord's prayer, "Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven... This is the preeminence that we are to walk in, to honor our heavenly Father, through Christ Jesus, in all that we do, to acknowledge Him as our Daddy and to seek knowledge of His heavenly kingdom so that we might know how to live here on earth in that heavenly kingdom mindset. Do we do this? Not normally. Rather we are seeking the Lord to help us get through this earthy world, day by day, rather than striving to bring His kingdom here. I know this is brief but it is quite a bit to chew on and I think we all need to do honestly. Sometimes I think we spend more time fighting with demons than we do exalting our Lord and thanking Him for all He has made available to us. WE ARE GOD'S KIDS!!! That is a powerful statement and truth but have we really grasped what that means? We are to be like our big Brother who did EVERYTHING out of obedience and honor to our Father. Well, enough said. Wanting to be like Jesus, Joan



Stace4Jesus	Apr 23 2004, 05:16 AM Post #3
Administrator Posts: 3,225 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: March 6, 2004	Hey *Rather we are seeking the Lord to help us get through this earthy world, day by day, rather than striving to bring His kingdom here.* I am going to chew on this one.. (the others too) If I can get this one digested... I think other things will fall into place too. Thanks Shalom



Barb	Apr 23 2004, 06:32 AM Post #4
Member Posts: 288 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: March 13, 2004	Relationship...intimate relationship is what Chip is not-seeing within the body and this is the cry of his heart. I am reminded of the scripture that speaks of those who do in His name but He does not know them. Overall we are seeing a result of a lack of teaching that is fortold by the Old Testament Prophets of a those who persih for lack of vision and knowledge. The teachers have failed to teach intimacy and fear of the Lord therefor the Church stumbles blindly about 'doing' what appears to be the right thing to honor God, yet they have missed the point. God is not interested in our programs, our grand monumental buildings, rituals etc and although these things are not necessarily bad things they are not what He is seeking.( I believe this is also Andrew Stroms heart position too) God is after our hearts. I believe this is why He has refined and raised up a generation of those who hunger for Him above all else so we can re-teach the body. Not so we can 'judge' but so we can reveal to them the emptiness of their 'doings' and encourage them to take courage and seek Him above all else, leaving all the props and programs and 'stuff' behind. To encourage them to be alone with the Lord shutting out all else and building on that and THEN allowing the programs and other things flow from there. Because that is when the annointing will flow and the dances and worship and programs will bring honor, true honor to Him because that is when all heart will be focused on Him and not the performance. And yes, dance etc will flow as I am reminded of how David danced befoer the Lord from the joy within his soul and God will be honored. We have a huge task at hand. Re- training is not easy and when liberty comes many continue on status quo because this is what they know. The love of the Father must flow from us to cause others to hunger for it and the intimacy that creates that flow. I can understand Chip's frustration for he has seen and he knows God's plans in this area and he desires for everyone to also see what he has seen and experience what he has. Sometimes it is down right discouraging when we see the road others take and yet all we need to is cry out to Father in faith knowing that He knows and He is able to facilitate what is necessary. We MUST strive to establish His kingdom. It is a constant choice to go God's way and not our own we not only have outside influences we also have our own deceptive hearts to war against. BUT how can we move according to His plan IF that plan is NOT known? How can others make choices for Him if they have not been well grounded or have no thought or idea as to who God is? I beleive we are entering into a time of re-tooling, re-training where the basic foundational truths will be re-established and on that foundation will rise a victorious Church. I also beleive that each of us is part of that re-tooling in that we see and understand, have been re-fined and molded and have been given assignments to teach and encourage, bring liberty to and set free those who are held captive by the those things that are not of Him. Blessings! Barb



Stace4Jesus	Apr 23 2004, 09:26 AM Post #5
Administrator Posts: 3,225 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: March 6, 2004	I only got a second.. but I had to say.. Amen Be back later shalom stacie



Bill and Joan	Apr 23 2004, 09:34 AM Post #6
Administrator Posts: 2,756 Group: Co-Admin Member #7 Joined: March 10, 2004	Hi Barb, I agree with Stacie. :rolleyes: AMEN! Good word. Love ya, Joan



Bondslave	Apr 23 2004, 03:07 PM Post #7
Unregistered	HEY!!!!! Well, we sure do not go talking about the shallow things, do we? The Preeminance of Christ. A VERY DEEP subject. Barb, what you said is right on. ALSO, everything is about Jesus!!! We do not need to pray for patience, love, peace. joy, self-control, etc, etc, NO, What we REALLY need is Just Jesus, for HE IS all of those things. So, part of what Chip is talking about is how the church does MOST things for the people rather than for the Lord. I mean, let's get real here folks, how many times have you been in a service where the leader says we are NOT going to do anything except focus on God tonight. There will be no preaching, no offering, no nothing, except seeking Him and ministering TO the Lord!?????? I have heard s couple of preachers say things like that, but that is NOT what happened. They ended up singing just like they always do. How many of our songs are ALL about Him? ALMOST NONE of them!! Most of them actually involve our dedication to Him or what we promise to do or at least say we WILL do! OR they are saying or asking GOd to do something FOR US! WHen was the last time we did something for HIM??? The Preeminance of Christ means all of these things and more. FOr we must Decrease and He MUST Increase!! We are commanded to BECOME His children. We are to walk like Jesus. When did Jesus EVER do ANYTHING selfish? DID Jesus EVER do anything that HE wanted to do, just because He wanted to? What does the Bible say about that? We are to be the same way. Our lives mean NOTHING compared to living for Him. He MUST have His way in our lives. We are COMMANDED to deliver everything to Him. We are to hold NOTHING back for ourselves. We are to give, utterly!!! Then we are to utterly give to all of those around us! Just Like Jesus did! Perhaps I am not making sense, for I KNOW I am just learning what all of this REALLY means. Many times it is difficult to express those things that we are learning and have yet to experience in reality! The Preeminance of Christ means that Jesus is FIRST in EVERYTHING in our lives, in our churches, in EVERYTHING we say and do!!! That is where HE is supposed to be! A very few times, I have truly touched on His majesty, His Glory, just barely. I basically fell on my face! THere was NOTHING I could do or say. I began to understand where Paul wrote about the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be uttered. I have begun to see that may NOT mean tongues! It CAN be tongues, but it does NOT have to be! We do not have this glory in the church today. We have missed it and Him. I have heard so many lay claim to the fact that in their service the glory of God fell on us all. Then the people laughed and danced and sang, etc, etc. Well, after doing some deep studies in the Bible, and my own personal experiences which agree with what I discovered in the Bible, I cam to realize that those people did NOT have a clue what they were talking about! They did NOT know any better. They got a feeling of something and thought is was the Glory of God. Did you know that in Hebrew the Glory of God is called a weighty thing? It contains the full weight of God's presence. That is why, every place we read about it, we see the people falling down, running away, screaming in terror!!! For you see, they cannot face His glory! remember what He told Moses about seeing His glory? NO ONE can see MY face and Live! God's Glory is His TRUE Presence. Nothing profance, sinful, or in ANY way not pure can stand to be in His Presence! Why do we think we are any better? Before we left Texas 5 yrs ago, while at church, I saw the Lord in a vision at the front of the church. He called out and told all those who had found the secret place to stand. Many stood. then He said to those standing, whoever THINKS they know they way into the Holy of Holies, TRY to enter. Many people ran forward attemting to "get in". However, I, and my pastor and a very few others, fell on our faces and cried out to Him to make us worthy and bring us in Himself! For you see, that is the ONLY way in, IF He brings you in. We MUST be utterly cleansed. There can be NO SIN! No uncleanness, no spot, no mar, NOTHING but the purity of Jesus. Again, HE IS Pre EMINANT!!!! He is the ONLY way to be saved, He is the ONLY way to be cleansed, He is the ONLY way to come to God He is the ONLY way to enter into the HOLIEST!!! Do we really think that just ANYONE who claims salvation can enter into that Holy HOLY place? look at the preparation of the preists, then look at the preparation of High Priest to enter the Holy of Holies. After He is cleansed, after he atones for his own sins, after he does EVERYTHING he can to make sure that there is NOTHING that is NOT perfect, they tied a rope around his ankle incase the presence of God would kill him. Then the High Priest stood before the curtain, the entrance into th eHoly of Holies, with a bowl of blood in one hand and a candle stick in the other. How did He move aside the VERY HEAVY skins, about 4 inches thick and one solid piece to enter in? According to Jewish oral teaching, God translated him through the curtain. Is that what happened? No one knows. Except, how did he move that huge curtain with his hands full, and you can bet, he did NOT set them down in the dirt, for it was a dirt floor! Do we really think we are that holy? Are we ready for what occured when God told Moses to sanctify the people for 3 days and He was coming HIMSELF on the 3rd! When God showed up, the people ran in terror. they did this after they had seen the 10 plagues, the Red Sea crossing, and the pillar of cloud and fire. They STILL were NOT prepared! Only Moses and Joshua were ready! Again, Stacie, that was out of around 3-5 million people! My friends, I did not start out to write all of this. However, this is where it has gone. there is a lot of stuff here to chew on and digest. May we all be given a MUCH deeper understanding of what the Lord requires of us. May we all, come to the place where we too may not on ly enter, but actually LIVE in the Holy of Holies. It is HERE, and HERE alone that TRUE ministry will not only be initiated, but truly be effective! God Bless you all!!! a bondslave in Christ Jesus, Dirk
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MommaLion	Apr 24 2004, 08:15 AM Post #8
Unregistered	Hey everyone!!! Peace and wisdom!! THe question was asked "How does this apply to everyday life" (or something to that effect) Please let me give a recent personal example. We have been blessed with a young married couple with a 14 mo. old and a new born. WHen we come up to our apt. we have to pass by their apt and we heard a LOT of cursing and arguing and babies screaming. My heart fell everytime I heard this turmoil !! I prayed and asked the Lord that if He wished us to minister to this precious couple to make it happen. Over the next couple days these people and us met on several occations outside. One day the wife was in a bit of a tizzy and came to our door and asked if I would watch her boys while she ran an errand. This was only to be for about 30 min. It was about 20 actually, but gave me time to be in their apt. and get a feel for the spirit there, and to pray over those sweet babies. THis started a relationship between us and them. ok..... here is where the explaination of "daily lives" and "preeminance" colide. Many times after this they have met with us in the evening after supper on our porch and we have talked. At first not about the Lord so much, but just getting to know each other. Many times they have asked us or me to watch the babies when they were in a streight and could not pay a baby setter. (we never accept money for babysetting.) Dirk and I have had many many discussions with them about the Lord , and Melanie has run over to ask me to come during the day to pray with her about one situation or another. I HAD TO PUT JESUS FIRST NO MATTER WHAT I WAS DOING ! i.e. preemanance. Ben had no idea what we were talking about when we discussed faith or living for the Lord , nor did he seem intrested at first. But as time went on he started asking questions! He actually became hungry for knowledge of this Jesus! Mel had been saved as a child but fell away. THey started reading scripture together , and even prayed before Ben went to work each morning. Wow ! has the spirit in their home changed! lol EVERY time they came knocking on our door, we let them in to talk about the Lord. NO MATTER what we were doing. We have never been told in scripture that we have a RIGHT to privicy. When we need to be alone with each other or the Lord THE LORD WILL PROVIDE THAT TIME. Other than that we must do HIS bidding for others. (Instant in season and out of season.) Jesus must be first in all things. On the Friday before Resurrection Sunday we invited them to church with us. We go to Potter's House Ministries in Harrisonburg, VA. THey went. Ever since we have started talking to them and spending much time with them EVEN WHEN IT WAS VERY INCONVENIENT TO US we have seen such a change in their home. and the spirit in their apt. I am not lifting us up here please understand that, because quite frankly there have been times when Dirk and I were spending time alone when they would knock on the door with a problem or a question and we would roll our eyes and say" Lord why now?" THe answer was always, "Well you asked for this ministry!!" lolol I love the Lord. THis is also related to TRUE discipleship ! THese people needed discipleship for many years now, and there has been no one in the body of CHrist who has taken them into their lives ! Preeminance !!! Jesus first in daily living. Wheather that means neighbors, family, duties at work, or church, or in our personal communication with the Lord Himself. In order to be able to practice preeminence well we must be living a life like Jesus did. Being so close to the Lord that we hear Him when He speaks. We become what we see! We see Jesus all day long that is what we become like. We see things of this world all day long THAT is what we become. I will admit now that I am not there yet. As a matter of fact last night I KNOW I heard the Holy Spirit say something to me, that I didn't even recognize UNTILL I WOKE UP THIS MORNING ! I felt so ashamed that I had failed Him. I asked for forgiveness right away and was forgiven. You see, Dirk and I were just spending some time reading etc. and "I" didn't really want to be bothered. THese two people came over to tell us that Melanie had gotton off work early that evening and they were free to spend time together. SHe was so excited that the Lord had arranged the time off for her. They get SOOOOO excited when the Lord does anything in their lives!! They just have to run and let us know. It is so wonderful to see them, they are like little kids sometimes. Right that moment the Holy Spirit prompted me to ask them over to minister and pray. There is great need for much deliverance from past things, and they have some more questions. We have been trying to find a time to talk, but I did not want to pay attention to the Lord right then. BOY WAS I WRONG ! I didn't practice preeminence last night. What a lesson that was for me. Hopefully that will not happen again. Well, guess that is all. I hope this makes sence to someone. I am always so nervous about posting stuff. lol I am not as eloquent as my sweet husband. Matter of fact he agreed to go thru this and correct my spelling and wording. I must have spelled "preeminence" 5 different ways lolol I didn't have since enough to look at the top line here and SEE the correct way to spell it. lolol Love you all PEACE AND WISDOM Linda
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Bill and Joan	Apr 24 2004, 09:30 AM Post #9
Administrator Posts: 2,756 Group: Co-Admin Member #7 Joined: March 10, 2004	God bless you Linda! I was so blessed to see what you had wrote and was surprised by the ending, where you said you were so nervous about posting. Oh, Linda, your words touched the heart. Hey, every one of us has problems with the spelling, punctuation, etc., but, girl, there is no doubt the Lord is moving through you. Don't let the enemy steal what you have to offer the body of Christ here because of insecurities. Sweet sister, we need you here! Post away. Truth is, we're not really looking for Linda, per se, but Christ in Linda and that is very evident. Now, we love you Linda, cause you are a sweetheart, but what touches the depth of our being is the Lord speaking through you. What a wonderful testimony! What a wonderful "picture" of preeminence! You go girl! How you bless your Beloved, both natural and spiritual. How you bless your brothers and sisters in Christ. We love you! Looking forward to your next post, Joan



Stace4Jesus	Apr 24 2004, 01:03 PM Post #10
Administrator Posts: 3,225 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: March 6, 2004	Hey hey hey,, Yeah... yeah.. yeah..... soooo gooood to see you post.. and good things in it. You hit some spots in my life that I was becoming hardened to. The job I have is actually a 24/7.. but I was just beginning to start claiming some time to myself (I have the right to have saturday morning off so I can seek the Lord more .. attitude.) So, while this may be the Lord's desire.. it has be begin with Him.. and not my "rights." I am going to have to chop that mountain down and put the ax in the Lord's hands to do it. This is going to hurt my pride.. hallelujah.. ouch. Anyway.. Please oh please continue to post and speak as the Lord guides you. Shalom stacie ps.. we will check into a spell checker. sort of been meaning to.. I am awful and worrying about it slows my thoughts down.. so I miss some of the purity the Lord would want to speak through me about.



Stace4Jesus	Apr 24 2004, 08:06 PM Post #11
Administrator Posts: 3,225 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: March 6, 2004	Well... I have run into this word more than I have ever seen it in my whole life.. just in these past 48 hours. It is everywhere I go, standing out in bold like letters. Strange I have never noticed it before. Barb, you said, Quote: I believe this is why He has refined and raised up a generation of those who hunger for Him above all else so we can re-teach the body. I have been sifting this statement. It is not a small task, even for those who are willing to be taught. Our mind - sets are rooted deeply in the 'already established traditions' of man. And then I think about what some of the writers I am reading are saying. They say that a lot of the meetings that are going on, the mass turn outs, the large, wonderful worship services.. they are ministering to the people.. they are coming from the flesh... I think of the mega churches.. growing... healing services... wonderful music.. hands uplifted. Am I hearing right.. most of these are 'ministering to the people.. not to the Lord?' Are these huge amounts of people missing it? I was in Helena Montana at a Healing Service a couple of years ago. I knew the Holy Spirit was there. I could sense just where He was and when He moved. At first, He covered the whole group. Then as we started the music, He began to recede and fill the back of the building.. aloft from everyone. His presence stayed there, and never went forward to cover anyone again. I knew what was going on.. I could say the words, "flesh has taken over" but I could not reason it out.. why? They all looked fine. The youth was singing songs with the few instruments they had, the sound was good. The minister seemed respectful, asking the Holy Spirit to come and fill the place, to heal the people, to be the Lord of the place. (He was following the example of Bobby Conners who had been there just a few days before). But, even though everything seemed right to the eye.. to my mind.. still, the Holy Spirit faded to the back. When, just a few days earlier, Bobby had been there as a quest for three nights, I observed the Holy Spirit do the very same thing (on a smaller scale). Bobby got off track and began asking the congregation about where a good place to hunt was (remember we are in montana). It was then, in that conversation, that the Holy Spirit began to move away. Bobby stopped his coversation, was quiet for a minute, and then went on. Just from observation.. I suppose he was corrected and did correct his path. He had started leading the minds and hearts of the people into the woods after game instead of deeper into the Lord. In the end.. there were many touched that night. So, is this what it is all about? That night, when the Holy Spirit went to the back of the church. No one followed. (not even me.. I just watched.) I sat there looking at all those christians, very devoted, very needy of the Lord for His help, crying out to Him.. yet, He went to the back. I humbly agree that there needs to be a "re-teaching," just wondering about all those who say they have Him already. Give me some of your thoughts.. please. shalom stacie Yeah for the emotioncons...



Bondslave	Apr 25 2004, 07:07 AM Post #12
Unregistered	Dear Stacie, YES!!!!, You have said it truly. We minister to each other and ourselves rather than to God. Yet, we call them worship services. Have you ever REALLY paid attention to the songs that are sung in those services? Some of the BEST and most famous of those worship songs are actually our saying how blessed we are, what we are going to do, how we are acting, our promises our dedications, even how great we are!!! In fact, very FEW songs speak ONLY of the Lord, how wonderful He is, looking ONLY to Him! Here is one>>>> Glory to God in the Highest Glory to God in the Highest Be Thou enthroned on High Be Thou enthroned on High Be exalted above the heavens, O Lord be magnified All the angels and all creation to Thy Greatness, testify Glory to God; Glory to God; Glory to God; Glory to God! NOW, that is a song that ministers to God. However, I rarely hear that songs or songs like that sung in ANY service. May I be so bold as to say that even IF we do hear songs like that, is that our lifestyle or just how we are presenting ourselves at that time. You see, TRUE WORSHIP, is in EVERYTHING we do, how we live ALL the time, how we speak all the time, no matter the circumstances, no matter how lowly to duty, we are glorifying the Lord in whatever it is. In our eating, in our reading, in our jobs, in our driving, in our sitting, in our recreation, in our "entertainment" in our speach, in our sleeping, in the company we keep, in the way we live our lives IN PRIVATE, etc, etc, etc!!! Obviously, we could all go on! What I am saying is if our worship is ONLY when we sing these songs, only when we gather together in a service, then it is NO KIND OF TRUE worship. All it is, is a show, a false face, that we put on for those around us. The restoration of the tabernacle of David, 24/7 praise and worship will NOT be in a place. It will be in the lives of those who claim to be True Christians! Until we can begin to give worship to the Lord most of the time, how can we say that we worship Him in Spirit and in Truth? Almost anyone can come to service and look like they are worshiping God, even singing songs similar to the one I posted above. However, if our hearts are not in that position of worship all the time, if we are only giving Him lip service when other can see us, what kind of worship is that? Stacie, some of what you experienced is exactly what I am speaking of. I have seen the Spirit come to a service and just hover there, waiting for someone to TRULY acknowledge Him and submit their lives to Him. We have gone all over the US and seen this same condition, and this was at the "GOOD" churches. I have been in several services with Bobby Conners, I know what you are talking about. He came to our Bible school and was directly involved in a series of meetings. Suffice to say, they were little different than others I have been in. I do not blame him or others. I believe it to be a failing of us all. Until the individuals are living in a manner that is consistant with the teaching of scripture, why do we expect the whole body to be any better? Remember, a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. A whole body is affected by something as small as a little toe or little finger! If the heart is sick, then the whole body is sick!!! I have backed off quite a bit from teaching and moving forward because I recognize that I myself need to get My Own heart into a proper place of TRUE WORSHIP. Once I do this, then the reast tends to fall into place. My lovely wife has an infuriating habit of always saying the same thing. The problem is, she is VERY CORRECT, we just don't like to hear it! SHe says it always comes back to the same thing,>>>> "Seek FIRST the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, (Jesus). . . " That is our job, the rest of the verse is God's job. If we take care of the first part, He will be sure to take care of the second part! I have thought about, prayed about, asked God about this verse and what it REALLY means inour lives for a couple of years now. I have not even begun to touch on it's full capacity yet. I realize I am NOT living it the way HE intends me to. Let's look at that short part of a verse for just a minute. Seek FIRST the Kingdom of God. . . Before ANYTHING ELSE, before myself, before my family, friends, spouse, possessions, ministry, etc, I am to seek the Kingdom of God. The kingdom of GOd is where God is KING. the absolute ruler. His word is LAW. He is preeminent! (there is that word again!) He rules! He is IN control. That means I do NOT rule, I am NOT in control, I HAVE NO RIGHTS!!! Everything is about Him, nothing is about me! It is ALL for Him, none of it is for me. We are also told that at the same time we are seeking the Kingdom of God, we are to seek HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. That is Jesus, for Jesus was made to us the Righteousness of God. However, if we continue in this seeking, we will find that scripture says the he who PRACTICES righteousness IS righteous!!! SO, this is NOT just a heart attitude, it is actually how we live!!! Our LIVES MUST be righteous, for ONLY then can we be called truly righteous! (go ahead read thru the WHOLE of I John and all of the verses MUST be brought together, not our pet ones) I confess that tho I may know what some of that means, and how I am to get there, I have not yet surrendered my life in the manner HE desires. I could wish that there was someone nearby who had already gone this way to mentor me, disciple me in a like manner. However, I am learning via trial and error by the Holy Spirit. Mostly by error because I am such a poor student. For now,I will drop this and let it go. God Bless you all a bondslave in Christ Jesus, Dirk (ps: the way I end all of my letters this way is not a claim of what I am, but rather a prayer that someday I will be a bondslave!)
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Stace4Jesus	Apr 25 2004, 08:31 AM Post #13
Administrator Posts: 3,225 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: March 6, 2004	You said, "I confess that tho I may know what some of that means, and how I am to get there, I have not yet surrendered my life in the manner HE desires. I could wish that there was someone nearby who had already gone this way to mentor me, disciple me in a like manner. However, I am learning via trial and error by the Holy Spirit. Mostly by error because I am such a poor student. Who would that be? The mentor? How can we tell who is qualified to be a mentor in this area? Let's press on and let the Holy Spirit mentor us here, in truth and in spirit. Side by side, learning and growing, uplifting and supporting, led, directed, instructed, gathered, supported, upheld and uplifted by the Greatest of Teachers... Seek Ye first has been my "key verse" for several years... it seems we all have plumbed our lives to this verse. I wonder what is going to grow from this.. a group who have plumbed their lives to this verse.. called together, and taught as a group by the Holy Spirit. He will reteach us... we will re-teach them. Praise be to the Lord His will be done here on earth as it is in Heaven.. Go God Go shalom stacie



MommaLion	Apr 25 2004, 08:33 AM Post #14
Unregistered	<_< I HAVE A WHAT??? Infurating habit?? Well ! I resemble that remark! I love you my knight in shining armor. Hey everyone, yes I do say that all the time. lolol But look at that verse Matthew 6:33 It says that if we seek first His Kingdom "all these things will be added to us" What things???? ok When we read the above verses starting with 25 we find out. 25 talks about not worring. Worry is a sin. When we worry we are not practicing preeminence. ( I looked at the top of this page and found out how to spell it ! Yippie for me !! lol ) The rest of that passage speaks also of God providing for us. IF we seek first the Kingdom AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. Too often people leave out that last part. AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS. We are not only to learn about the Kingdom but also learn righteousness AND practice it. 1 John says "He who PRACTICES righteousness is righteous just like He is righteous." You know I heard Brother Creflo Dollar teach many years ago about seeking first the kingdom, and I loved his explaniation of the Kingdom of God. "God's way of doing things" Creflo said. I have always remembered that. I like to put things into simple understandable ideas when I teach, and that is sooooo simple! Just doing things God's way. We will be seeking first the Kingdom, won't have to worry about anything, will have plenty of time for everything, and will know what things to do and what things not to do. We must remember that not everything "we" think is Godly to do is from the Lord. We must be so close to the Lord that we know when it is HIM telling us to be involved in something and when it is the Father of Lies trying to get us so busy that we miss what the Lord Himself has for us. Like maybe your Saturday mornings ARE SUPPOSE to be for more time with Him or the family or whatever?? Maybe. oh well. just a thought. Thank you all for your encouragement. I am very simple and to the point. Things that deal with matters of the heart are my special love for the body and that has been sometimes a difficult gift in my journey with the Lord. Love you all. PEACE AND WISDOM Linda
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