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Can Christians Be Possessed?
Topic Started: May 11 2008, 05:51 PM (59 Views)
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Q1. I heard about Christians struggling with some kinds of spirit
within them. And while receiving deliverance prayers, these Christians
cried out with strange noises. Others are saying that the "un-clean"
spirits within these Christians are coming out. I do not understand
how can these un-clean spirits get into these Christians and remain in
them?

The Scriptural position is very clear: Christians cannot be possessed
in their spirits (for the Holy Spirit lives within) but they can be
obsessed or oppressed (which is the domain of the soul and the body).
As to the 'manifestations' and 'deliverances' which seem to come from
'within' a Christian they are caused from two factors:

1.      From a soul response to a demonic oppression (from without).
The soul can be easily influenced by external spiritual forces when it
believes the wrong things or give in to the wrong things.  Remember
how easily Peter moved from being inspired by the Spirit of God to
declare Jesus as the Christ to being an instrument of Satan being
rebuked by Jesus in Matthew 16. In fact from the Spiritual World
perspective, spiritual forces can influenced souls (which are
susceptible to them and their frequencies) even from a vast
geographical distance and make it look like it is within a person. Our
human concepts of distance, place and time does not carry into the
spiritual realm.

2.      Usually the entrance of demonic influence is through a flaw
in the emotional aspects of the soul or through the wrong belief of
the mind. When deliverance is performed the section of the emotion or
the mind is being affected and there can be manifestations/physical
effects upon the physical body that look like the demon is inside a
person. One example I can give is like the radio, television or
telephone, the voice or physical manifestation of the program we are
hearing seem to come from within the radio, television or phone but
the actual broadcast station can be far away geographically. The wrong
interpretation of Christians who form wrong theology that Christians
can have demons is due to their dependence on empirical evidence for
their theology rather than on Scriptures. It is the same dependence on
sensed-based empirical evidence that leads people to believe that it
is the sun that revolves round the earth.

Q2. We have heard about split [or dual] personalities of a person for
a long time. Recently I heard from a close friend that his spouse is
struggling with dual personalities in her. Both of them are believers.
What is the spiritual truth in this aspect?

Within each of us are multiple aspects of soul capabilities and
abilities which in this life only a small aspect is visible. Even the
fact that we have a perfectly functional left and right brain should
tell us that there is within each of us multiple aspects of self and
self-awareness. The act of reasoning involves different aspects of our
consciousness focusing thoughts. As such, sometimes people who have
damages to their emotional or mind display multiple personalities
because they cannot harmonise all aspects of their potential beings.
Not all multiple personalities is demonic, a great number of them are
soul-mind based. Even in the physical realm there is aspects of the
'ghost hand' where the right and left brain have been severed from
communicating with each other - and this is purely a physically caused
phenomena due to communication lines being broken in the physical
body. Where demons possessed a person, there can be multiple
personalities displayed but not all multiple personalities are
necessarily demonic. If you read the Psalms, you can see the various
soul aspects of David's personalities wrestling within his
consciousness.
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1Q
Could you define "demonic obsession" and "demonic oppression"? What's
the difference between being "obsessed" and being "oppressed" by evil
spirits in soul or body? Do they signify different levels of influence
from the evil spirits? If so, does it mean obsession always takes
place before oppression or the other way?

Obsession describes control from the mental and emotional perspective.
This could be via a thought or an emotional trauma or hurt. In the end
a constant pattern of thought or emotion controls everything in the
person's life. In oppression, it is in the physical body area and can
(but not always relate to a physical ailment - it could be just a
physical discomfort or habit) lie within the subconscious autobody
functions of the person. There are degrees of obsession and oppression
and either one need not take place before the other. Some oppression
and obsession comes from genetic lines - weakness of frequencies in a
race (all genetic races have their inherent strengths and weaknesses),
culture, ancestral habits or diets, family, etc - which are taken
advantage of by the enemy.

2Q
Since a Christian cannot be possessed by evil spirits, when he is
oppressed demonically in body, does it mean that the evil spirits are
inside his physical body although not his spirit because he's born
again? This is a common teaching among Pentecostal/Charismatic
deliverance ministries, they also believe that born again Christians
cannot be possessed, but since oppression is of the "body," not
spirit, so casting demons out of a Christian's "body" is Scriptural.
What are your thoughts.

No, a weakness in a physical body can be taken advantage of without
geographical dependence - all in needs is similarity of frequency.
Something like a radio, TV or phone connection to create the symptom
or habit. The language of the deliverance can be 'out' 'cease' etc. as
these are all human terms to elicit freedom - the Spiritual World
answers according to the sense of what we need in our communication
and not to our accuracy of technical knowledge in our language - the
same with the enunciation of Jesus' Name. What we belief should always
be Scripturally based and there are no biblical examples of casting
out devils from Christians. The example of Simeon in Acts 8 seems to
indicate that he needs to self-repent and self-free himself from the
root of bitterness through his own repentance and knowledge of Christ.

3Q
Can evil spirits not be inside a Christian no matter what? I
understand that you've mentioned how evil spirits could influence
Christians even from far away places, but when they manifest and speak
or act through oppressed Christians in a very obvious way (e.g. voice
seeming to change, losing mind etc.), are they not inside their bodies
in order to do that? Many times when oppressed Christians are
delivered, they seem to "vomit" and then they got delivered, seem to
be that the evil spirits have been cast out of their bodies so the
result testify that they were indeed delivered afterward. Appreciate
your comment.

When you hear a voice in a phone or radio or television, it does not
mean that the speaker in the phone, radio or television. From my
experiences in the Spiritual World, it is not possible for demon
possession to take place in a genuinely born again Christian. And
there are obsessions and oppressions that look like possession but
they are not. The demons that are capable of bodily possession do not
mess around with those with Jesus' light within them. Outside of these
demons, there are very few demons capable of taking on higher level
possession. Most of them prefer to exercise their pleasure at a
distance. We need to understand why demons possess people. Their only
reason is that they are spirits that are bounded to certain physical
pleasures. Thus in trying to still experience these pleasures in their
disembodied states, they link up with humans who have the same
weakness in these pleasures. The higher demons who possess for the
sake of sadism and pain are fewer and can only work on human subjects
that are really, really weak and have lost most of their free will
capacity and strength. The vomiting is just a reflex action of the
body - similar to goose bumps - which can be caused by any number of
things. We NEVER build our theology on empirical and sense knowledge;
otherwise we will be like the early Christians who believe that the
world was flat and that the sun goes round the earth, and other
foolish things.


4Q
If evil spirits are not inside a believer's body when he is obsessed
or oppressed, does it mean that these evil spirits follow around these
Christians all the time? If they are following them outside in order
to oppress them and not in their bodies, won't they come into some
kind of conflict with the guardian angels of these Christians who are
also around these Christians all the time?

If by follow, you mean monitor, Yes. Spirits can monitor humans at a
distance - similar as when a security personnel monitors individuals
through video cameras. In the first place, if there are weaknesses of
frequencies (which must take place first before oppression or
obsession) already in place through inherited weaknesses or free-
choice weaknesses, the guardian angels cannot do anything about it
unless help is asked of them. What we allow through our free will
(good or bad) is respected by the guardian angels. We need to choose
to be free, to be free.

5Q
When a person (non-Christian) is possessed by evil spirits, are these
demons "living inside his spirit"? Can we also say that these evil
spirits are also in his body because his spirit takes residence in his
body?

To my knowledge, there are very few types of demons which can truly
possess a person. Most of them would prefer to enjoy the pleasures of
oppression and obsession at a distance. Demons (evil spirits) feel
very restricted in a physical body and would only do so when they are
assured that the physical body would give them a measure of freedom of
expression through their dominance of the human.

6Q
When a person is possessed or obsessed or oppressed before he receives
Christ and thus the Holy Spirit, what happens at the moment of
conversion? If he originally has demons inside him as an unbeliever,
will those demons leave his spirit/body automatically the moment when
he receives Christ and comes to salvation? Many Christians seem to
have got delivered only later on but their born again experience
before was genuine. Appreciate your comment.

For the majority, the demons leave even before the born-again
experience (as the person is moving in the direction of being preached
to and being converted), and the conversion just seals the frequency
weaknesses that may have allowed the entrance of demons. So in a sense
you can say that the whole process takes place automatically -
although one needs to bear in mind that very few people are actually
possessed. For those that are totally possessed, we see many of them
being delivered publicly with demons cast out and then they accept
Christ. When you say that you see Christians being delivered after
they are born again, it is usually through the prominence of the wrong-
theology group who advocate dramatic displays of stirring up
manifestations and it looks like deliverance but it is nothing but
emotional noise and smoke. Some people seem to be helped but most of
them DO NOT remain free (they live in constant fear of being
repossessed and need constant bouts of deliverance therapy to maintain
their freedom). They are ONLY truly free when they gain knowledge of
their authority in Christ.

Remember that if a person believes in the theology that some
predestined to be saved and some lost, the devil will always use that
theology to convince people that they are destined to be lost. If the
theology says that some are destined to be healed and some are not,
the devil will always use that to convince people that they are among
the group not destined to be healed. If the theology says that
Christians can be possessed, the devil will use that to keep
Christians in fear of being possessed (which would actually just be
mental and emotional obsession and oppression but they will feel it
like a possession and become paralysed and ineffective in their lives)
and even use the wrong belief to oppress them. In the Spiritual World,
what we believe is very important and has its recompense effect on us.

7Q
What are the signs that we can say that a Christian is "oppressed" or
"obsessed" demonically? Many people tell from experiencing hearing
voices, manifesting under the presence of God etc.

There are no standard signs. That is why we need the gift of
discerning of spirits and the growth of discernment to see in the
spiritual realm.

8Q
Just to confirm, if I were to teach on demonology and makes the
statement that "although the soul and body can be obsessed and
oppressed by evil spirits, but they can never be INSIDE or LIVING
WITHIN a believer's spirit, soul and body no matter what and under all
circumstances," is this statement correct?

Yes, it is theologically sound and correct. It is also the only type
of theology that will produce faith and total freedom for the
believer. Have you noticed that when people start reading or being
exposed to the wrong theology type of preaching, they immediately
begin to sense demons and feel all kinds of oppression? They don't
realise that it is the wrong theology itself that is opening them up
to those oppression. It would be like making tools from radioactive
materials and always wandering why there is such a prominence of
cancers around those who use them. Worst, it leads many foolish ones
to conclude that they succeeded in bringing 'invisible' cancers to the
surface as they used their unique tools. Foolish ones. If they can
only see that they themselves are causing it, diagnosing it and trying
to treat it at the same time. You shall know the truth and the truth
will set you free. If you believe correctly in the right Scriptural
theology, you will be free.
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Do we then interpret the "casting out of demons" in the Scriptures,
such as in Mark 16:17, Matt 7:22; 8:16; 12:27-28, etc., as the command
to deliver people from demonic obsession and oppression? I did a quick
search of the words "cast out demons" in the Bible search NKJV version
and found 21 references of "casting out demons" passages (http://
www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=cast%20out%20demons&version1=50&searchtype=all).
Is the usage of the language in these passages, ie cast "out," what
you refer to as only the language of setting people free from demonic
obsession/oppression?

Acts 10:38 shows forth that all sicknesses and diseases have its
spiritual roots in the demonic realm (Also 1 John 3:8). Specifically,
casting out devils would refer to the casting out of demons in
possession or obsession cases. As to sicknesses and diseases, the mere
taking power and authority is sufficient.

2Q
Is the demoniac in Mark 5 the rarer case of an unbeliever possessed by
the Legion evil spirit and his cohort demons? This person seems to
have lost total free will, and Mark 5:13 says that the unclean spirits
"went out" of the demoniac and into the swine. Is this the case of
possession of non-Christians?

Yes, it is one of the rare cases of possession among non-Christians.

3Q
Can evil spirits take up residence in animals? Mark 5:13 says that the
unclean spirits "entered" the swine. Can demons also obsess or oppress
animals (or even putting diseases on animals)? Matt 8:31 these unclean
spirits said to Jesus that when they're cast out, allow them to "go
into the swine." I remember reading some ex-satanist books and the
author, who was a high priest in the satanic order, mentioned that
sometimes demons could possess cats etc., also the example of the
snake in the Garden of Eden, was the snake possessed, obsessed, or
oppressed? Were those swine possessed as well so causing their
suicide?

Only on a temporarily basis as they don't really like the restrictive
nature of animal bodies. The serpent in the Garden was influenced and
under the control of satan of its free choice. For that reason, it
also has its punishment.

4Q
How do evil spirits actually put sicknesses and diseases on people
such as causing one being mute, deaf, tumors, dropsy etc.? Why do the
sicknesses and diseases disappear when these evil spirits are cast
out? (E.g. Matt 9:33).

The source of all life is in the realm of the spirit. Viruses and
other forms of microscopic life forms that caused harm are sustained
(not created, they were just perverted)) from the astral and spiritual
realm by evil spirits and also by the negative astral influence of
human thought life and energy. In the natural world, energy cannot be
destroyed, it can only be changed into another form of energy or
matter. Similarly, in the spiritual world, energy cannot be destroyed
but has to be released into another form or energy. All life emits
energy. The negative energy of human thoughts and life goes into the
sustenance of microscopic life forms that harm us back in turn. Evil
is merely the turning of original good energy into bad; similarly, a
sickness and disease turns the bodily functions which are normal into
something abnormal and harmful to itself.

5Q
Mark 16:9 mentions that Jesus cast out seven demons from Mary
Magdalene, the demoniac with the Legion spirit implied thousands of
spirits influencing him. How do these demons actually work in
collaboration with one another in the spiritual realm when they're not
inside a body? Do they just group themselves together like a gang
would today and targeting their victims together from the outside?

Every grouping has only one leader. Thus the demon over the thousands
in the demoniac is named Legion. Demons congregate (like type of
demons drawn to one another) to amplify their abilities. All of the
spiritual realm (good and bad) works in groups.

6Q
Why is it some people are obsessed/oppressed with one demon, while
others have more than one like Mary had seven and others even hundreds
or thousands? Can we say the more severe the degree of obsession/
oppression, the more number of demons can influence them? In other
words, do the number of demons indicate the degree of possession (non-
believers)/obsession/oppression, ie the more demons the more severe
the case?

It always start with one but as the individual becomes more yielded,
there is a magnetic attraction that attracts more like-type of demons
- like filth attracts flies which seem to come from nowhere (but
actually were there in the local area but drawn to congregate where
there is supply of stinky food).

7Q
You have mentioned some kind of "frequency" such as "frequencies of
weaknesses," could you explain more on what this "spiritual frequency"
is and how it relates to demonic obsession and oppression?

All life is made up of frequency. There are some low and negative
frequencies which resonate with bad and evil, eg. anger, hate, etc.
Frequencies are also affected by diet, mental conditions, spiritual
conditions, etc. For example, all matter has a basic vibration tone.
Communities, cultures, nations each have a compound vibrational tone
created by the combination of citizens within their community.
Sometimes there are gaps within the compound vibration which becomes
the flaw of the society or culture. The knowledge and theology of each
culture and nation is also a small measurement of each culture's
vibration.


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