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Can Christians Be Possessed?
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Topic Started: May 11 2008, 05:51 PM (59 Views)
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May 11 2008, 05:51 PM
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Q1. I heard about Christians struggling with some kinds of spirit within them. And while receiving deliverance prayers, these Christians cried out with strange noises. Others are saying that the "un-clean" spirits within these Christians are coming out. I do not understand how can these un-clean spirits get into these Christians and remain in them?
The Scriptural position is very clear: Christians cannot be possessed in their spirits (for the Holy Spirit lives within) but they can be obsessed or oppressed (which is the domain of the soul and the body). As to the 'manifestations' and 'deliverances' which seem to come from 'within' a Christian they are caused from two factors:
1. From a soul response to a demonic oppression (from without). The soul can be easily influenced by external spiritual forces when it believes the wrong things or give in to the wrong things. Remember how easily Peter moved from being inspired by the Spirit of God to declare Jesus as the Christ to being an instrument of Satan being rebuked by Jesus in Matthew 16. In fact from the Spiritual World perspective, spiritual forces can influenced souls (which are susceptible to them and their frequencies) even from a vast geographical distance and make it look like it is within a person. Our human concepts of distance, place and time does not carry into the spiritual realm.
2. Usually the entrance of demonic influence is through a flaw in the emotional aspects of the soul or through the wrong belief of the mind. When deliverance is performed the section of the emotion or the mind is being affected and there can be manifestations/physical effects upon the physical body that look like the demon is inside a person. One example I can give is like the radio, television or telephone, the voice or physical manifestation of the program we are hearing seem to come from within the radio, television or phone but the actual broadcast station can be far away geographically. The wrong interpretation of Christians who form wrong theology that Christians can have demons is due to their dependence on empirical evidence for their theology rather than on Scriptures. It is the same dependence on sensed-based empirical evidence that leads people to believe that it is the sun that revolves round the earth.
Q2. We have heard about split [or dual] personalities of a person for a long time. Recently I heard from a close friend that his spouse is struggling with dual personalities in her. Both of them are believers. What is the spiritual truth in this aspect?
Within each of us are multiple aspects of soul capabilities and abilities which in this life only a small aspect is visible. Even the fact that we have a perfectly functional left and right brain should tell us that there is within each of us multiple aspects of self and self-awareness. The act of reasoning involves different aspects of our consciousness focusing thoughts. As such, sometimes people who have damages to their emotional or mind display multiple personalities because they cannot harmonise all aspects of their potential beings. Not all multiple personalities is demonic, a great number of them are soul-mind based. Even in the physical realm there is aspects of the 'ghost hand' where the right and left brain have been severed from communicating with each other - and this is purely a physically caused phenomena due to communication lines being broken in the physical body. Where demons possessed a person, there can be multiple personalities displayed but not all multiple personalities are necessarily demonic. If you read the Psalms, you can see the various soul aspects of David's personalities wrestling within his consciousness. www.eaglevision.com.my
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May 11 2008, 05:55 PM
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1Q Could you define "demonic obsession" and "demonic oppression"? What's the difference between being "obsessed" and being "oppressed" by evil spirits in soul or body? Do they signify different levels of influence from the evil spirits? If so, does it mean obsession always takes place before oppression or the other way?
Obsession describes control from the mental and emotional perspective. This could be via a thought or an emotional trauma or hurt. In the end a constant pattern of thought or emotion controls everything in the person's life. In oppression, it is in the physical body area and can (but not always relate to a physical ailment - it could be just a physical discomfort or habit) lie within the subconscious autobody functions of the person. There are degrees of obsession and oppression and either one need not take place before the other. Some oppression and obsession comes from genetic lines - weakness of frequencies in a race (all genetic races have their inherent strengths and weaknesses), culture, ancestral habits or diets, family, etc - which are taken advantage of by the enemy.
2Q Since a Christian cannot be possessed by evil spirits, when he is oppressed demonically in body, does it mean that the evil spirits are inside his physical body although not his spirit because he's born again? This is a common teaching among Pentecostal/Charismatic deliverance ministries, they also believe that born again Christians cannot be possessed, but since oppression is of the "body," not spirit, so casting demons out of a Christian's "body" is Scriptural. What are your thoughts.
No, a weakness in a physical body can be taken advantage of without geographical dependence - all in needs is similarity of frequency. Something like a radio, TV or phone connection to create the symptom or habit. The language of the deliverance can be 'out' 'cease' etc. as these are all human terms to elicit freedom - the Spiritual World answers according to the sense of what we need in our communication and not to our accuracy of technical knowledge in our language - the same with the enunciation of Jesus' Name. What we belief should always be Scripturally based and there are no biblical examples of casting out devils from Christians. The example of Simeon in Acts 8 seems to indicate that he needs to self-repent and self-free himself from the root of bitterness through his own repentance and knowledge of Christ.
3Q Can evil spirits not be inside a Christian no matter what? I understand that you've mentioned how evil spirits could influence Christians even from far away places, but when they manifest and speak or act through oppressed Christians in a very obvious way (e.g. voice seeming to change, losing mind etc.), are they not inside their bodies in order to do that? Many times when oppressed Christians are delivered, they seem to "vomit" and then they got delivered, seem to be that the evil spirits have been cast out of their bodies so the result testify that they were indeed delivered afterward. Appreciate your comment.
When you hear a voice in a phone or radio or television, it does not mean that the speaker in the phone, radio or television. From my experiences in the Spiritual World, it is not possible for demon possession to take place in a genuinely born again Christian. And there are obsessions and oppressions that look like possession but they are not. The demons that are capable of bodily possession do not mess around with those with Jesus' light within them. Outside of these demons, there are very few demons capable of taking on higher level possession. Most of them prefer to exercise their pleasure at a distance. We need to understand why demons possess people. Their only reason is that they are spirits that are bounded to certain physical pleasures. Thus in trying to still experience these pleasures in their disembodied states, they link up with humans who have the same weakness in these pleasures. The higher demons who possess for the sake of sadism and pain are fewer and can only work on human subjects that are really, really weak and have lost most of their free will capacity and strength. The vomiting is just a reflex action of the body - similar to goose bumps - which can be caused by any number of things. We NEVER build our theology on empirical and sense knowledge; otherwise we will be like the early Christians who believe that the world was flat and that the sun goes round the earth, and other foolish things.
4Q If evil spirits are not inside a believer's body when he is obsessed or oppressed, does it mean that these evil spirits follow around these Christians all the time? If they are following them outside in order to oppress them and not in their bodies, won't they come into some kind of conflict with the guardian angels of these Christians who are also around these Christians all the time?
If by follow, you mean monitor, Yes. Spirits can monitor humans at a distance - similar as when a security personnel monitors individuals through video cameras. In the first place, if there are weaknesses of frequencies (which must take place first before oppression or obsession) already in place through inherited weaknesses or free- choice weaknesses, the guardian angels cannot do anything about it unless help is asked of them. What we allow through our free will (good or bad) is respected by the guardian angels. We need to choose to be free, to be free.
5Q When a person (non-Christian) is possessed by evil spirits, are these demons "living inside his spirit"? Can we also say that these evil spirits are also in his body because his spirit takes residence in his body?
To my knowledge, there are very few types of demons which can truly possess a person. Most of them would prefer to enjoy the pleasures of oppression and obsession at a distance. Demons (evil spirits) feel very restricted in a physical body and would only do so when they are assured that the physical body would give them a measure of freedom of expression through their dominance of the human.
6Q When a person is possessed or obsessed or oppressed before he receives Christ and thus the Holy Spirit, what happens at the moment of conversion? If he originally has demons inside him as an unbeliever, will those demons leave his spirit/body automatically the moment when he receives Christ and comes to salvation? Many Christians seem to have got delivered only later on but their born again experience before was genuine. Appreciate your comment.
For the majority, the demons leave even before the born-again experience (as the person is moving in the direction of being preached to and being converted), and the conversion just seals the frequency weaknesses that may have allowed the entrance of demons. So in a sense you can say that the whole process takes place automatically - although one needs to bear in mind that very few people are actually possessed. For those that are totally possessed, we see many of them being delivered publicly with demons cast out and then they accept Christ. When you say that you see Christians being delivered after they are born again, it is usually through the prominence of the wrong- theology group who advocate dramatic displays of stirring up manifestations and it looks like deliverance but it is nothing but emotional noise and smoke. Some people seem to be helped but most of them DO NOT remain free (they live in constant fear of being repossessed and need constant bouts of deliverance therapy to maintain their freedom). They are ONLY truly free when they gain knowledge of their authority in Christ.
Remember that if a person believes in the theology that some predestined to be saved and some lost, the devil will always use that theology to convince people that they are destined to be lost. If the theology says that some are destined to be healed and some are not, the devil will always use that to convince people that they are among the group not destined to be healed. If the theology says that Christians can be possessed, the devil will use that to keep Christians in fear of being possessed (which would actually just be mental and emotional obsession and oppression but they will feel it like a possession and become paralysed and ineffective in their lives) and even use the wrong belief to oppress them. In the Spiritual World, what we believe is very important and has its recompense effect on us.
7Q What are the signs that we can say that a Christian is "oppressed" or "obsessed" demonically? Many people tell from experiencing hearing voices, manifesting under the presence of God etc.
There are no standard signs. That is why we need the gift of discerning of spirits and the growth of discernment to see in the spiritual realm.
8Q Just to confirm, if I were to teach on demonology and makes the statement that "although the soul and body can be obsessed and oppressed by evil spirits, but they can never be INSIDE or LIVING WITHIN a believer's spirit, soul and body no matter what and under all circumstances," is this statement correct?
Yes, it is theologically sound and correct. It is also the only type of theology that will produce faith and total freedom for the believer. Have you noticed that when people start reading or being exposed to the wrong theology type of preaching, they immediately begin to sense demons and feel all kinds of oppression? They don't realise that it is the wrong theology itself that is opening them up to those oppression. It would be like making tools from radioactive materials and always wandering why there is such a prominence of cancers around those who use them. Worst, it leads many foolish ones to conclude that they succeeded in bringing 'invisible' cancers to the surface as they used their unique tools. Foolish ones. If they can only see that they themselves are causing it, diagnosing it and trying to treat it at the same time. You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. If you believe correctly in the right Scriptural theology, you will be free.
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May 11 2008, 05:58 PM
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1Q Do we then interpret the "casting out of demons" in the Scriptures, such as in Mark 16:17, Matt 7:22; 8:16; 12:27-28, etc., as the command to deliver people from demonic obsession and oppression? I did a quick search of the words "cast out demons" in the Bible search NKJV version and found 21 references of "casting out demons" passages (http:// www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=cast%20out%20demons&version1=50&searchtype=all). Is the usage of the language in these passages, ie cast "out," what you refer to as only the language of setting people free from demonic obsession/oppression?
Acts 10:38 shows forth that all sicknesses and diseases have its spiritual roots in the demonic realm (Also 1 John 3:8). Specifically, casting out devils would refer to the casting out of demons in possession or obsession cases. As to sicknesses and diseases, the mere taking power and authority is sufficient.
2Q Is the demoniac in Mark 5 the rarer case of an unbeliever possessed by the Legion evil spirit and his cohort demons? This person seems to have lost total free will, and Mark 5:13 says that the unclean spirits "went out" of the demoniac and into the swine. Is this the case of possession of non-Christians?
Yes, it is one of the rare cases of possession among non-Christians.
3Q Can evil spirits take up residence in animals? Mark 5:13 says that the unclean spirits "entered" the swine. Can demons also obsess or oppress animals (or even putting diseases on animals)? Matt 8:31 these unclean spirits said to Jesus that when they're cast out, allow them to "go into the swine." I remember reading some ex-satanist books and the author, who was a high priest in the satanic order, mentioned that sometimes demons could possess cats etc., also the example of the snake in the Garden of Eden, was the snake possessed, obsessed, or oppressed? Were those swine possessed as well so causing their suicide?
Only on a temporarily basis as they don't really like the restrictive nature of animal bodies. The serpent in the Garden was influenced and under the control of satan of its free choice. For that reason, it also has its punishment.
4Q How do evil spirits actually put sicknesses and diseases on people such as causing one being mute, deaf, tumors, dropsy etc.? Why do the sicknesses and diseases disappear when these evil spirits are cast out? (E.g. Matt 9:33).
The source of all life is in the realm of the spirit. Viruses and other forms of microscopic life forms that caused harm are sustained (not created, they were just perverted)) from the astral and spiritual realm by evil spirits and also by the negative astral influence of human thought life and energy. In the natural world, energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be changed into another form of energy or matter. Similarly, in the spiritual world, energy cannot be destroyed but has to be released into another form or energy. All life emits energy. The negative energy of human thoughts and life goes into the sustenance of microscopic life forms that harm us back in turn. Evil is merely the turning of original good energy into bad; similarly, a sickness and disease turns the bodily functions which are normal into something abnormal and harmful to itself.
5Q Mark 16:9 mentions that Jesus cast out seven demons from Mary Magdalene, the demoniac with the Legion spirit implied thousands of spirits influencing him. How do these demons actually work in collaboration with one another in the spiritual realm when they're not inside a body? Do they just group themselves together like a gang would today and targeting their victims together from the outside?
Every grouping has only one leader. Thus the demon over the thousands in the demoniac is named Legion. Demons congregate (like type of demons drawn to one another) to amplify their abilities. All of the spiritual realm (good and bad) works in groups.
6Q Why is it some people are obsessed/oppressed with one demon, while others have more than one like Mary had seven and others even hundreds or thousands? Can we say the more severe the degree of obsession/ oppression, the more number of demons can influence them? In other words, do the number of demons indicate the degree of possession (non- believers)/obsession/oppression, ie the more demons the more severe the case?
It always start with one but as the individual becomes more yielded, there is a magnetic attraction that attracts more like-type of demons - like filth attracts flies which seem to come from nowhere (but actually were there in the local area but drawn to congregate where there is supply of stinky food).
7Q You have mentioned some kind of "frequency" such as "frequencies of weaknesses," could you explain more on what this "spiritual frequency" is and how it relates to demonic obsession and oppression?
All life is made up of frequency. There are some low and negative frequencies which resonate with bad and evil, eg. anger, hate, etc. Frequencies are also affected by diet, mental conditions, spiritual conditions, etc. For example, all matter has a basic vibration tone. Communities, cultures, nations each have a compound vibrational tone created by the combination of citizens within their community. Sometimes there are gaps within the compound vibration which becomes the flaw of the society or culture. The knowledge and theology of each culture and nation is also a small measurement of each culture's vibration.
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