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Torrific performance
Topic Started: Dec 11 2007, 10:00 PM (357 Views)
77 sides of chrome Liverpool
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Superb team display,how did we lose to them at home?
ITV interviewer trying to stir up more rift stories between Rafa and H/G .Its old news that will fade.
Man U next , bring it on.
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redscouser Liverpool
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Note to Rafa:

Please, please start that team against the mancs (well, possibly swap Kuyt for Crouch).
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Sam Drury Liverpool
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I agree with redscouser, we should definitely start that same side against Man U even if Agger or Alonso are back. I think both would be rusty so places on the bench for them and I run out late on with us comfortably ahead, those 2 and Babel as subs, who will be on to add his goal that puts the gloss on our wins of late!

Sounds very good to me! I can hope anyway!
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That side was arguably the strongest available, in a formation that they were all familiar with - no square pegs in round holes, and no coincidence it went hand in hand with an awesome performance.

How the hell did we not hammer some of these teams earlier in the competition!?
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Dec 12 2007, 07:07 PM
That side was arguably the strongest available, in a formation that they were all familiar with - no square pegs in round holes, and no coincidence it went hand in hand with an awesome performance.

How the hell did we not hammer some of these teams earlier in the competition!?

even with kuyt and not crouch ?!
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El Nino
Dec 13 2007, 09:29 AM
The Nutmeg King
Dec 12 2007, 07:07 PM
That side was arguably the strongest available, in a formation that they were all familiar with - no square pegs in round holes, and no coincidence it went hand in hand with an awesome performance.

How the hell did we not hammer some of these teams earlier in the competition!?

even with kuyt and not crouch ?!

Arguably.

Personally I like Crouch, he's a better footballer and compliments Torres as well if not better than Kuyt in my opinion.

We know Rafa has his favourites though...
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Dec 13 2007, 07:57 PM
El Nino
Dec 13 2007, 09:29 AM
The Nutmeg King
Dec 12 2007, 07:07 PM
That side was arguably the strongest available, in a formation that they were all familiar with - no square pegs in round holes, and no coincidence it went hand in hand with an awesome performance.

How the hell did we not hammer some of these teams earlier in the competition!?

even with kuyt and not crouch ?!

Arguably.

Personally I like Crouch, he's a better footballer and compliments Torres as well if not better than Kuyt in my opinion.

We know Rafa has his favourites though...

so kuyt is a favourite again now even thou he has been dropped/rested a bit lately ? Kuyt playing with torres enables the link up play to be better , stops the guys lumping long balls up all day long to crouch . The teamwork is better , the passing is better , the workrate is better , the energy on the pitch is better , the understanding between strikers and midfield is better . Crouch will get eaten up by vidic on sunday cause playing crouch plays into the cb off utd strength . On sunday we need the work rate and mobility off torres and kuyt .
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El Nino
Dec 14 2007, 12:02 AM
The Nutmeg King
Dec 13 2007, 07:57 PM
El Nino
Dec 13 2007, 09:29 AM
The Nutmeg King
Dec 12 2007, 07:07 PM
That side was arguably the strongest available, in a formation that they were all familiar with - no square pegs in round holes, and no coincidence it went hand in hand with an awesome performance.

How the hell did we not hammer some of these teams earlier in the competition!?

even with kuyt and not crouch ?!

Arguably.

Personally I like Crouch, he's a better footballer and compliments Torres as well if not better than Kuyt in my opinion.

We know Rafa has his favourites though...

so kuyt is a favourite again now even thou he has been dropped/rested a bit lately ? Kuyt playing with torres enables the link up play to be better , stops the guys lumping long balls up all day long to crouch . The teamwork is better , the passing is better , the workrate is better , the energy on the pitch is better , the understanding between strikers and midfield is better . Crouch will get eaten up by vidic on sunday cause playing crouch plays into the cb off utd strength . On sunday we need the work rate and mobility off torres and kuyt .

I've got mxed views tbh.

I think Crouch gives us something unique - it's plainly obvious defenders hate playing against him. Add to that the fact that they also hate playing against the sheer pace and touch of Torres and that makes for a potentially awesome combination.

Conversely, I do accept that the workrate offered by Kuyt could well be another good weapon. Him and Torres do seem to link well, however, I feel that quality defenders such as Vidic and Ferdinand can read him all too easily.

I think we may well be best to start with Kuyt and bring on Crouch after 50/60 mins when the defenders may be a bit tired.

I definitely would not want to see Alonso played due to to not being match fit. Sissoko is a definite non-starter for me in any capacity. Lucas has to be the spare man in the middle. having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if he went with Masher and Lucas in the middle and used Gerrard on the right cutting in and playing in that so-called free role. The only problem there is that he leaves huge gaps for them to exploit.



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Anyone remember Kuyt vs Vidic at Anfield last season, Kuyt was giving him the runaround the whole match and all we needed was a finish. If he repeats last years performance, Torres will provide that finish.

I'd start with Kuyt simply because he was one of the only strikers to make Vidic look average last season.
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Stam Manchester United
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Thats was Bellamy mate not Kuyt- he beat Vidic for pace over again
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I'm sure Kuyt done him a few times as well. I remember one time I think towards the end of the first half the ball was played into Kuyt and he let it run through his legs (used the trick everytime) and had Vidic in all sorts of trouble, he got into the area and tried to find Bellamy but put it behind him. This happened on a few other occasions but it wasn't as dangerous as that. Was that Bellamy as well?
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I remember Bellamy giving him a hard time draging him out to the wide positions and beating him for pace a few times
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Berethorn Liverpool
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Well if Kuyt of all people can do Vidic for pace then god help him against Torres. :lol: Surely he wouldn't even start?

Vidic and Hypia... the immovable objects in our defenses. "thumb"
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Kuyt didnt do him for pace it was Bellamy you cant compare Vidic's speed to the old fin
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Dec 16 2007, 10:31 AM
Kuyt didnt do him for pace it was Bellamy you cant compare Vidic's speed to the old fin

the old finn doesnt run he just uses for the natural revolving of the earth to bring him closer to players
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Dec 14 2007, 12:02 AM
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Dec 13 2007, 07:57 PM
El Nino
Dec 13 2007, 09:29 AM
The Nutmeg King
Dec 12 2007, 07:07 PM
That side was arguably the strongest available, in a formation that they were all familiar with - no square pegs in round holes, and no coincidence it went hand in hand with an awesome performance.

How the hell did we not hammer some of these teams earlier in the competition!?

even with kuyt and not crouch ?!

Arguably.

Personally I like Crouch, he's a better footballer and compliments Torres as well if not better than Kuyt in my opinion.

We know Rafa has his favourites though...

so kuyt is a favourite again now even thou he has been dropped/rested a bit lately ? Kuyt playing with torres enables the link up play to be better , stops the guys lumping long balls up all day long to crouch . The teamwork is better , the passing is better , the workrate is better , the energy on the pitch is better , the understanding between strikers and midfield is better . Crouch will get eaten up by vidic on sunday cause playing crouch plays into the cb off utd strength . On sunday we need the work rate and mobility off torres and kuyt .

Works hard, lots of effort, etc etc....

Just not good enough in the final analysis I'm afraid...
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Dec 16 2007, 07:30 PM
El Nino
Dec 14 2007, 12:02 AM
The Nutmeg King
Dec 13 2007, 07:57 PM
El Nino
Dec 13 2007, 09:29 AM
The Nutmeg King
Dec 12 2007, 07:07 PM
That side was arguably the strongest available, in a formation that they were all familiar with - no square pegs in round holes, and no coincidence it went hand in hand with an awesome performance.

How the hell did we not hammer some of these teams earlier in the competition!?

even with kuyt and not crouch ?!

Arguably.

Personally I like Crouch, he's a better footballer and compliments Torres as well if not better than Kuyt in my opinion.

We know Rafa has his favourites though...

so kuyt is a favourite again now even thou he has been dropped/rested a bit lately ? Kuyt playing with torres enables the link up play to be better , stops the guys lumping long balls up all day long to crouch . The teamwork is better , the passing is better , the workrate is better , the energy on the pitch is better , the understanding between strikers and midfield is better . Crouch will get eaten up by vidic on sunday cause playing crouch plays into the cb off utd strength . On sunday we need the work rate and mobility off torres and kuyt .

Works hard, lots of effort, etc etc....

Just not good enough in the final analysis I'm afraid...

In your opinion maybe yet in someones opinion who is better qualified than you - ie the manager he is good enough and would take his opinion any day of the week
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Ok, he was good enough. I'm wrong.

He was class, made Ferdinand and Vidic work their arses off, they were worried about him for 90 minutes...
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El Nino
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Dec 17 2007, 11:45 AM
Ok, he was good enough. I'm wrong.

He was class, made Ferdinand and Vidic work their arses off, they were worried about him for 90 minutes...

who is more qualified to judge a player ? you or scouts/managers/coaches/professional footballers ?

Be as sarcastic as you want - at the end of the day the man who knows more than both of us rates him and playes him . and time again he does the business but just like other players including crouch etc he does have poor games . Kuyt fits perfectly into Rafa ethics .
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I can only judge on what I see. If you think he's Liverpool class, that's up to you, your standards are lower than mine in that case.

If he's a wonderstriker in training is all well and good, but anyone with half a brain can see he's mainly poor on the matchday.

Which is when I see him, and when it actually means something.

So are you saying Kuyt did make the defenders work and keep them worried for the whole game?

Or not?
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