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Torrific performance
Topic Started: Dec 11 2007, 10:00 PM (356 Views)
El Nino
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Dec 17 2007, 11:53 AM
I can only judge on what I see. If you think he's Liverpool class, that's up to you, your standards are lower than mine in that case.

If he's a wonderstriker in training is all well and good, but anyone with half a brain can see he's mainly poor on the matchday.

Which is when I see him, and when it actually means something.

So are you saying Kuyt did make the defenders work and keep them worried for the whole game?

Or not?

No one did yesterday - Rio had torres in his pocket all day long - is he not liverpool class now ? the team played with no imagination yesterday and that was nothing to do with kuyt playing that was the whole team going forward . Kuyt had vidic covering him the whole game so im pretty sure he was worried about him .
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Ah right, must have been a different game then...

Kuyt was crap, again, that's the point. He's been crap before, consistently so, and after one good game, he was crap once again.

Take off the specs, and the blind optimism for once. I've given him more chance than some to impress me, but he's not good enough.

Benayoun notched a hat-trick not long ago. When was the last time Kuyt even looked like scoring a hat-trick?
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El Nino
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Dec 17 2007, 12:07 PM
Ah right, must have been a different game then...

Kuyt was crap, again, that's the point. He's been crap before, consistently so, and after one good game, he was crap once again.

Take off the specs, and the blind optimism for once. I've given him more chance than some to impress me, but he's not good enough.

Benayoun notched a hat-trick not long ago. When was the last time Kuyt even looked like scoring a hat-trick?

So it was only Kuyt that was crap yesterday then ? it was his fault we didnt win ?

Sorry dont wear specs got contacts these days . I will give my opinion how i see fit not because you of all people tell me otherwise .

The coaching staff and manager think he is good enough and i think their judge of a player is slighty better than yours .
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Brilliant, as ever.
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El Nino
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Dec 17 2007, 12:26 PM
Brilliant, as ever.

Whats wrong TNK ? so now the whole liverpool coaching staff is wrong and your right ?
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El Nino
Dec 17 2007, 01:30 PM
The Nutmeg King
Dec 17 2007, 12:26 PM
Brilliant, as ever.

Whats wrong TNK ? so now the whole liverpool coaching staff is wrong and your right ?

Nope, just you that's wrong, in so many ways and on so many levels...
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El Nino
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Dec 17 2007, 12:32 PM
El Nino
Dec 17 2007, 01:30 PM
The Nutmeg King
Dec 17 2007, 12:26 PM
Brilliant, as ever.

Whats wrong TNK ? so now the whole liverpool coaching staff is wrong and your right ?

Nope, just you that's wrong, in so many ways and on so many levels...

Please enlighten me then TNK as you seem to be the fountain of all knowledge ? tell me what is wrong with me so that i may change just for you ?
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The Nutmeg King
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And on...
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El Nino
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Well come on the TNK tell me what it is exactly i am doing wrong ? tell me what it is you find so offensive ?
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And on...
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denisirwinsbarmyarmy
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I'm probably the least qualified to respond to this thread but I think TNK may have a point.
I've spoken to a few Liverpool fans who don't rate Kuyt at all.
He's been with you guys for a while now and he's not exactly set the Premier League alight has he?

El Nino - I understand what you are saying with regards to the coaches/manager knowing the benefits of playing the lad but even they can be wrong sometimes. Just look at Fergie picking Forlan. Everyone knew Forlan wasn't good enough to play in the Premier League but Fergie's a stubborn get and kept sticking him in the team. It doesn't mean because I was right about Forlan I knew more than Fergie. Far from it. It's just that even though you know the potential of some players you can't keep picking them if it's never realised.
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El Nino
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Dec 17 2007, 12:44 PM
And on...

Right well done , so once again cant actually tell me what is im doing wrong , well in that case ill just carry on . Ta ra . :wave:
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And on...

(thanks Mr Irwin's army)
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denisirwinsbarmyarmy
Dec 17 2007, 01:48 PM
I'm probably the least qualified to respond to this thread but I think TNK may have a point.
I've spoken to a few Liverpool fans who don't rate Kuyt at all.
He's been with you guys for a while now and he's not exactly set the Premier League alight has he?

El Nino - I understand what you are saying with regards to the coaches/manager knowing the benefits of playing the lad but even they can be wrong sometimes. Just look at Fergie picking Forlan. Everyone knew Forlan wasn't good enough to play in the Premier League but Fergie's a stubborn get and kept sticking him in the team. It doesn't mean because I was right about Forlan I knew more than Fergie. Far from it. It's just that even though you know the potential of some players you can't keep picking them if it's never realised.

Yet Liverpool's 2 best performances this season (Newcastle and Marseille away) have both had Kuyt alongside Torres.

Neither of the other 2 have done anything to merit a starting place ahead of Kuyt - it's that simple - we need another world class player of Torres' standard then we could sell any of the other 3 IMO. Eventually I think Babel will become another striker for us but it won't be this season.
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El Nino
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freddies_dead
Dec 17 2007, 12:52 PM
denisirwinsbarmyarmy
Dec 17 2007, 01:48 PM
I'm probably the least qualified to respond to this thread but I think TNK may have a point.
I've spoken to a few Liverpool fans who don't rate Kuyt at all.
He's been with you guys for a while now and he's not exactly set the Premier League alight has he?

El Nino - I understand what you are saying with regards to the coaches/manager knowing the benefits of playing the lad but even they can be wrong sometimes. Just look at Fergie picking Forlan. Everyone knew Forlan wasn't good enough to play in the Premier League but Fergie's a stubborn get and kept sticking him in the team. It doesn't mean because I was right about Forlan I knew more than Fergie. Far from it. It's just that even though you know the potential of some players you can't keep picking them if it's never realised.

Yet Liverpool's 2 best performances this season (Newcastle and Marseille away) have both had Kuyt alongside Torres.

Neither of the other 2 have done anything to merit a starting place ahead of Kuyt - it's that simple - we need another world class player of Torres' standard then we could sell any of the other 3 IMO. Eventually I think Babel will become another striker for us but it won't be this season.

Spot on mate . Kuyt may not be the greatest player in thw world but he does the job rafa asks of him and seems to work very well with torres .
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denisirwinsbarmyarmy
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El Nino
Dec 17 2007, 01:53 PM
freddies_dead
Dec 17 2007, 12:52 PM
denisirwinsbarmyarmy
Dec 17 2007, 01:48 PM
I'm probably the least qualified to respond to this thread but I think TNK may have a point.
I've spoken to a few Liverpool fans who don't rate Kuyt at all.
He's been with you guys for a while now and he's not exactly set the Premier League alight has he?

El Nino - I understand what you are saying with regards to the coaches/manager knowing the benefits of playing the lad but even they can be wrong sometimes. Just look at Fergie picking Forlan. Everyone knew Forlan wasn't good enough to play in the Premier League but Fergie's a stubborn get and kept sticking him in the team. It doesn't mean because I was right about Forlan I knew more than Fergie. Far from it. It's just that even though you know the potential of some players you can't keep picking them if it's never realised.

Yet Liverpool's 2 best performances this season (Newcastle and Marseille away) have both had Kuyt alongside Torres.

Neither of the other 2 have done anything to merit a starting place ahead of Kuyt - it's that simple - we need another world class player of Torres' standard then we could sell any of the other 3 IMO. Eventually I think Babel will become another striker for us but it won't be this season.

Spot on mate . Kuyt may not be the greatest player in thw world but he does the job rafa asks of him and seems to work very well with torres .

With all due respect, and I'm not being funny here, what is this job that Benitez asks of him?
He's not a prolific scorer so does he get many assists? Is he used to hold up play?
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denisirwinsbarmyarmy
Dec 17 2007, 01:56 PM
El Nino
Dec 17 2007, 01:53 PM
freddies_dead
Dec 17 2007, 12:52 PM
denisirwinsbarmyarmy
Dec 17 2007, 01:48 PM
I'm probably the least qualified to respond to this thread but I think TNK may have a point.
I've spoken to a few Liverpool fans who don't rate Kuyt at all.
He's been with you guys for a while now and he's not exactly set the Premier League alight has he?

El Nino - I understand what you are saying with regards to the coaches/manager knowing the benefits of playing the lad but even they can be wrong sometimes. Just look at Fergie picking Forlan. Everyone knew Forlan wasn't good enough to play in the Premier League but Fergie's a stubborn get and kept sticking him in the team. It doesn't mean because I was right about Forlan I knew more than Fergie. Far from it. It's just that even though you know the potential of some players you can't keep picking them if it's never realised.

Yet Liverpool's 2 best performances this season (Newcastle and Marseille away) have both had Kuyt alongside Torres.

Neither of the other 2 have done anything to merit a starting place ahead of Kuyt - it's that simple - we need another world class player of Torres' standard then we could sell any of the other 3 IMO. Eventually I think Babel will become another striker for us but it won't be this season.

Spot on mate . Kuyt may not be the greatest player in thw world but he does the job rafa asks of him and seems to work very well with torres .

With all due respect, and I'm not being funny here, what is this job that Benitez asks of him?
He's not a prolific scorer so does he get many assists? Is he used to hold up play?

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denisirwinsbarmyarmy
Dec 17 2007, 01:56 PM
El Nino
Dec 17 2007, 01:53 PM
freddies_dead
Dec 17 2007, 12:52 PM
denisirwinsbarmyarmy
Dec 17 2007, 01:48 PM
I'm probably the least qualified to respond to this thread but I think TNK may have a point.
I've spoken to a few Liverpool fans who don't rate Kuyt at all.
He's been with you guys for a while now and he's not exactly set the Premier League alight has he?

El Nino - I understand what you are saying with regards to the coaches/manager knowing the benefits of playing the lad but even they can be wrong sometimes. Just look at Fergie picking Forlan. Everyone knew Forlan wasn't good enough to play in the Premier League but Fergie's a stubborn get and kept sticking him in the team. It doesn't mean because I was right about Forlan I knew more than Fergie. Far from it. It's just that even though you know the potential of some players you can't keep picking them if it's never realised.

Yet Liverpool's 2 best performances this season (Newcastle and Marseille away) have both had Kuyt alongside Torres.

Neither of the other 2 have done anything to merit a starting place ahead of Kuyt - it's that simple - we need another world class player of Torres' standard then we could sell any of the other 3 IMO. Eventually I think Babel will become another striker for us but it won't be this season.

Spot on mate . Kuyt may not be the greatest player in thw world but he does the job rafa asks of him and seems to work very well with torres .

With all due respect, and I'm not being funny here, what is this job that Benitez asks of him?
He's not a prolific scorer so does he get many assists? Is he used to hold up play?

To work hard between the lines and pull the opposition defence about to make space - plus his work in a defensive capacity. It works well if the rest of the team push up to support but Kewell and Bennayoun were ineffectual yesterday and for some reason Gerrard was playing as a 3rd centre back at times.
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denisirwinsbarmyarmy
Dec 17 2007, 12:56 PM
El Nino
Dec 17 2007, 01:53 PM
freddies_dead
Dec 17 2007, 12:52 PM
denisirwinsbarmyarmy
Dec 17 2007, 01:48 PM
I'm probably the least qualified to respond to this thread but I think TNK may have a point.
I've spoken to a few Liverpool fans who don't rate Kuyt at all.
He's been with you guys for a while now and he's not exactly set the Premier League alight has he?

El Nino - I understand what you are saying with regards to the coaches/manager knowing the benefits of playing the lad but even they can be wrong sometimes. Just look at Fergie picking Forlan. Everyone knew Forlan wasn't good enough to play in the Premier League but Fergie's a stubborn get and kept sticking him in the team. It doesn't mean because I was right about Forlan I knew more than Fergie. Far from it. It's just that even though you know the potential of some players you can't keep picking them if it's never realised.

Yet Liverpool's 2 best performances this season (Newcastle and Marseille away) have both had Kuyt alongside Torres.

Neither of the other 2 have done anything to merit a starting place ahead of Kuyt - it's that simple - we need another world class player of Torres' standard then we could sell any of the other 3 IMO. Eventually I think Babel will become another striker for us but it won't be this season.

Spot on mate . Kuyt may not be the greatest player in thw world but he does the job rafa asks of him and seems to work very well with torres .

With all due respect, and I'm not being funny here, what is this job that Benitez asks of him?
He's not a prolific scorer so does he get many assists? Is he used to hold up play?

he must ask him to drop deep and help out the midfield mate , if he doesnt then every game he goes against the managers wishes . Kuyt is a bit like mista ( when he was at valencia ) very hard working . its the type of players rafa likes . he is used to keep the ball moving , linking up well with the guys in the middle , he cant be used as a lone striker thou .
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El Nino
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freddies_dead
Dec 17 2007, 12:58 PM
denisirwinsbarmyarmy
Dec 17 2007, 01:56 PM
El Nino
Dec 17 2007, 01:53 PM
freddies_dead
Dec 17 2007, 12:52 PM
denisirwinsbarmyarmy
Dec 17 2007, 01:48 PM
I'm probably the least qualified to respond to this thread but I think TNK may have a point.
I've spoken to a few Liverpool fans who don't rate Kuyt at all.
He's been with you guys for a while now and he's not exactly set the Premier League alight has he?

El Nino - I understand what you are saying with regards to the coaches/manager knowing the benefits of playing the lad but even they can be wrong sometimes. Just look at Fergie picking Forlan. Everyone knew Forlan wasn't good enough to play in the Premier League but Fergie's a stubborn get and kept sticking him in the team. It doesn't mean because I was right about Forlan I knew more than Fergie. Far from it. It's just that even though you know the potential of some players you can't keep picking them if it's never realised.

Yet Liverpool's 2 best performances this season (Newcastle and Marseille away) have both had Kuyt alongside Torres.

Neither of the other 2 have done anything to merit a starting place ahead of Kuyt - it's that simple - we need another world class player of Torres' standard then we could sell any of the other 3 IMO. Eventually I think Babel will become another striker for us but it won't be this season.

Spot on mate . Kuyt may not be the greatest player in thw world but he does the job rafa asks of him and seems to work very well with torres .

With all due respect, and I'm not being funny here, what is this job that Benitez asks of him?
He's not a prolific scorer so does he get many assists? Is he used to hold up play?

To work hard between the lines and pull the opposition defence about to make space - plus his work in a defensive capacity. It works well if the rest of the team push up to support but Kewell and Bennayoun were ineffectual yesterday and for some reason Gerrard was playing as a 3rd centre back at times.

Yossi seemed to drift inside more than i have seen him do this season , should of left space for arbeloa to fill but he also seemed to drift in , would of worked lots better if we had finnan yesterday and arbeloa on the left as for me once again riise just didnt perform . A new left back would be great but not sure who thou ?
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