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Reality check: Title unlikely
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Topic Started: Dec 22 2007, 06:41 PM (214 Views)
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Dec 23 2007, 09:16 AM
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If we had played all our head to head games, the top 4 teams, then perhaps I would have had to conceed. However, and it's all ifs and buts, if we take the points in the return games who knows. This is of course while still beating the lower teams. The main problem for for the Reds may come from the 6 teams below us. I'am still optimistic there will be changes in the Prem and we could benifit. If we can remove the inconsistancey then who knows.
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Berethorn
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Dec 23 2007, 09:43 AM
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I don't consider it ifs and buts Chrome mate. I'm the first to admit our away form this season has been outstanding but if you expect us to win our away head-to-heads against the big three you're not giving any thought at all to our form of recent seasons. I say again: I have seen nothing in our form this season to suggest it might end differently.
I know it seems kinda weird that me and Chrome have swapped places - sure as heck shocked me
:shock: - but really I'm not being so much negative as just pragmatic. We have made progress. My chief concern is that we have taken one step whilst City, Pompey etc have taken three. We need to build on our good summer investment and challenge more strongly next year.
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Dec 23 2007, 10:07 AM
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- Dec 23 2007, 12:21 AM
I'll have to disagree. That's more the voice of setting yourself up for a major fall. You can't honestly expect our rivals' form to take the kind of nosedive it would need to allow us to take control of this race?
Of course it is mathematically possible but is it PROBABLE? Have you seen anything in our first 17 games to suggest we can stitch together the kind of phenomenal form necessary to storm back from 10 points behind and win this title?
Fact is we have not displayed the kind of form necessary to bridge the gap between possible and probable. And our task is made more difficult by the fact our rivals have shown little, if any, of the form that would open the door for us.
For example, Chelsea are having a crud season by their recent standards and have done about as much as they could to gift us a top four place, but they're still ahead of us. Our cause is not helped by our form away from home at our rivals' grounds - how many goals have we scored at Arsenal, Utd and Chelsea in recent seasons?
I'm not trying to be a doom merchant here, I'm just being pragmatic. We've made some progress this year by turning defeats into draws, and I think if we can ride our luck 2nd is a realistic probability. Realistically though, I think we're looking at a strong 3rd and a need to focus on the FAC and/or CL.
Got to agree with this. Plus:
The reality for us to win is that BOTH the mancs and Arsenal have to drop off. Whilst there is a possibility that one of them might have a serious dip, it is highly improbable that both of them will.
Add to that we have to keep winning - which you can see us doing with the exception of the other main 3. The game I'm most interested in over the holiday period is City away. If we can be the first side to take the points this season at Eastlands, then there may be some hope we can get maximum points from all other games.
We also need to keep Chelsea at bay.
As much as I'd love to win the league this season, I just can't see it now.
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Berethorn
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Dec 23 2007, 12:24 PM
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- Dec 23 2007, 12:21 AM
I'll have to disagree. That's more the voice of setting yourself up for a major fall. You can't honestly expect our rivals' form to take the kind of nosedive it would need to allow us to take control of this race?
Of course it is mathematically possible but is it PROBABLE? Have you seen anything in our first 17 games to suggest we can stitch together the kind of phenomenal form necessary to storm back from 10 points behind and win this title?
Fact is we have not displayed the kind of form necessary to bridge the gap between possible and probable. And our task is made more difficult by the fact our rivals have shown little, if any, of the form that would open the door for us.
For example, Chelsea are having a crud season by their recent standards and have done about as much as they could to gift us a top four place, but they're still ahead of us. Our cause is not helped by our form away from home at our rivals' grounds - how many goals have we scored at Arsenal, Utd and Chelsea in recent seasons?
I'm not trying to be a doom merchant here, I'm just being pragmatic. We've made some progress this year by turning defeats into draws, and I think if we can ride our luck 2nd is a realistic probability. Realistically though, I think we're looking at a strong 3rd and a need to focus on the FAC and/or CL.
Got to agree with this. Plus: The reality for us to win is that BOTH the mancs and Arsenal have to drop off. Whilst there is a possibility that one of them might have a serious dip, it is highly improbable that both of them will. Add to that we have to keep winning - which you can see us doing with the exception of the other main 3. The game I'm most interested in over the holiday period is City away. If we can be the first side to take the points this season at Eastlands, then there may be some hope we can get maximum points from all other games. We also need to keep Chelsea at bay. As much as I'd love to win the league this season, I just can't see it now.
Top post. "thumb"
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Dec 23 2007, 12:35 PM
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It remains to be seen. Despite some anoying results ,Brum at home etc, we have been positive in our play for the majority of the and we are a team to be feared.
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Dec 23 2007, 12:39 PM
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To be honest we buy players at every transfer window we should be challenging for the title not for 2nd place.
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Dec 23 2007, 12:43 PM
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- Dec 23 2007, 11:07 AM
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- Dec 23 2007, 12:21 AM
I'll have to disagree. That's more the voice of setting yourself up for a major fall. You can't honestly expect our rivals' form to take the kind of nosedive it would need to allow us to take control of this race?
Of course it is mathematically possible but is it PROBABLE? Have you seen anything in our first 17 games to suggest we can stitch together the kind of phenomenal form necessary to storm back from 10 points behind and win this title?
Fact is we have not displayed the kind of form necessary to bridge the gap between possible and probable. And our task is made more difficult by the fact our rivals have shown little, if any, of the form that would open the door for us.
For example, Chelsea are having a crud season by their recent standards and have done about as much as they could to gift us a top four place, but they're still ahead of us. Our cause is not helped by our form away from home at our rivals' grounds - how many goals have we scored at Arsenal, Utd and Chelsea in recent seasons?
I'm not trying to be a doom merchant here, I'm just being pragmatic. We've made some progress this year by turning defeats into draws, and I think if we can ride our luck 2nd is a realistic probability. Realistically though, I think we're looking at a strong 3rd and a need to focus on the FAC and/or CL.
Got to agree with this. Plus: The reality for us to win is that BOTH the mancs and Arsenal have to drop off. Whilst there is a possibility that one of them might have a serious dip, it is highly improbable that both of them will. Add to that we have to keep winning - which you can see us doing with the exception of the other main 3. The game I'm most interested in over the holiday period is City away. If we can be the first side to take the points this season at Eastlands, then there may be some hope we can get maximum points from all other games. We also need to keep Chelsea at bay. As much as I'd love to win the league this season, I just can't see it now.
Keep us at bay
:lol:
Our worst season for a while and you lot are still behind us
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Dec 23 2007, 02:19 PM
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- Dec 23 2007, 01:43 PM
- redscouser
- Dec 23 2007, 11:07 AM
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- Dec 23 2007, 12:21 AM
I'll have to disagree. That's more the voice of setting yourself up for a major fall. You can't honestly expect our rivals' form to take the kind of nosedive it would need to allow us to take control of this race?
Of course it is mathematically possible but is it PROBABLE? Have you seen anything in our first 17 games to suggest we can stitch together the kind of phenomenal form necessary to storm back from 10 points behind and win this title?
Fact is we have not displayed the kind of form necessary to bridge the gap between possible and probable. And our task is made more difficult by the fact our rivals have shown little, if any, of the form that would open the door for us.
For example, Chelsea are having a crud season by their recent standards and have done about as much as they could to gift us a top four place, but they're still ahead of us. Our cause is not helped by our form away from home at our rivals' grounds - how many goals have we scored at Arsenal, Utd and Chelsea in recent seasons?
I'm not trying to be a doom merchant here, I'm just being pragmatic. We've made some progress this year by turning defeats into draws, and I think if we can ride our luck 2nd is a realistic probability. Realistically though, I think we're looking at a strong 3rd and a need to focus on the FAC and/or CL.
Got to agree with this. Plus: The reality for us to win is that BOTH the mancs and Arsenal have to drop off. Whilst there is a possibility that one of them might have a serious dip, it is highly improbable that both of them will. Add to that we have to keep winning - which you can see us doing with the exception of the other main 3. The game I'm most interested in over the holiday period is City away. If we can be the first side to take the points this season at Eastlands, then there may be some hope we can get maximum points from all other games. We also need to keep Chelsea at bay. As much as I'd love to win the league this season, I just can't see it now.
Keep us at bay
:lol: Our worst season for a while and you lot are still behind us
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Yes - by a whole point (if we win the game in hand).
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Dec 23 2007, 02:40 PM
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Reality check my arse. I never ever thought we'd win it this season - I'll be content for now if we're within spitting distance going into the closing weeks.
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Dec 23 2007, 04:26 PM
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- Dec 22 2007, 06:41 PM
We have 63 points left to play for and currently have 33, so that's a maximum of 96. When you consider we still have Arsenal, Utd and Chelsea all to play away it doesn't look good on the title front.
A 2nd place finish is, realistically, our best bet imo.
Which really wouldn't be too bad as I reckon it would strengthen Rafa's hand in the transfer market. Also, I don't know which season UEFA plan to bring in the 3rd place auto-qualifying for the CL but if we can avoid the qualifiers by finishing 2nd this year I'll happily take it.
Its OK guys, according to my calculations (BBC Score Predictor), we will get to 94 points winning every game from now to the end of the season bar the last game away at Tottenham and beat Man U to the title by a couple of points! :yay:
Its still on.......
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In all seriousness though it would probably take a run like that for us to win the title, of course it is still possible but in reality I would take 2nd now, with Arsenal winning the league!
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Dec 23 2007, 04:53 PM
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some people will always believe that will it is still possible points wise to win the title people will alwAYS have hope and belief . Liverpool can still win the title . For the last couple off years we have been nearly twenty points behind the leaders come xmas time .i bet chelsea guys think they still got a chance and so they should . Just like liverpool fans should believe we have a chance . Lets see what happens after the acn is finished .
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Dec 23 2007, 04:59 PM
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- Dec 23 2007, 04:53 PM
some people will always believe that will it is still possible points wise to win the title people will alwAYS have hope and belief . Liverpool can still win the title . For the last couple off years we have been nearly twenty points behind the leaders come xmas time .i bet chelsea guys think they still got a chance and so they should . Just like liverpool fans should believe we have a chance . Lets see what happens after the acn is finished .
Of course it is still possible and if we get our act together we should definitely be up there come the end of the season but IMO I think we'll end up about 6 or 7 points back, basically where we will be if we win our games in hand. We have to pretty much win all 3 of our away games at Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U to have a chance.
Its like Berethorn said its possible but is it probable? NOt in my opinion it is isn't but of course I will still hold a hope that we have a chance no matter how small that chance may be!
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Dec 26 2007, 09:13 PM
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- Dec 23 2007, 12:21 AM
I'll have to disagree. That's more the voice of setting yourself up for a major fall. You can't honestly expect our rivals' form to take the kind of nosedive it would need to allow us to take control of this race?
Of course it is mathematically possible but is it PROBABLE? Have you seen anything in our first 17 games to suggest we can stitch together the kind of phenomenal form necessary to storm back from 10 points behind and win this title?
Fact is we have not displayed the kind of form necessary to bridge the gap between possible and probable. And our task is made more difficult by the fact our rivals have shown little, if any, of the form that would open the door for us.
For example, Chelsea are having a crud season by their recent standards and have done about as much as they could to gift us a top four place, but they're still ahead of us. Our cause is not helped by our form away from home at our rivals' grounds - how many goals have we scored at Arsenal, Utd and Chelsea in recent seasons?
I'm not trying to be a doom merchant here, I'm just being pragmatic. We've made some progress this year by turning defeats into draws, and I think if we can ride our luck 2nd is a realistic probability. Realistically though, I think we're looking at a strong 3rd and a need to focus on the FAC and/or CL.
Got to agree with this. Plus: The reality for us to win is that BOTH the mancs and Arsenal have to drop off. Whilst there is a possibility that one of them might have a serious dip, it is highly improbable that both of them will. Add to that we have to keep winning - which you can see us doing with the exception of the other main 3. The game I'm most interested in over the holiday period is City away. If we can be the first side to take the points this season at Eastlands, then there may be some hope we can get maximum points from all other games. We also need to keep Chelsea at bay. As much as I'd love to win the league this season, I just can't see it now.
Keep us at bay
:lol: Our worst season for a while and you lot are still behind us
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Yes - by a whole point (if we win the game in hand).
Not any more - win the game in hand and we are a point in front :ale:
Thanks Villa :clap:
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Dec 26 2007, 11:09 PM
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Villa should have won.
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