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Jan 7 2008, 11:42 AM
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Parry is supposedly to meet H&G this to disscuss the new stadium but Rafa's position is o on the agenda. What a meeting of minds this should be. The treatment of Rafa in the media has been nothing short of a witch hunt.You would think that we were bottom of the Prem, out of the CL and FA Cup. It is open season on managers and they get treated as criminals, joey barton has had better press than Rafa. Give the guy a break. I think the supporters should be publicly backing Rafa to send a message to H&G.
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Jan 7 2008, 12:42 PM
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Parry is supposedly to meet H&G this to disscuss the new stadium but Rafa's position is o on the agenda. What a meeting of minds this should be. The treatment of Rafa in the media has been nothing short of a witch hunt.You would think that we were bottom of the Prem, out of the CL and FA Cup. It is open season on managers and they get treated as criminals, joey barton has had better press than Rafa. Give the guy a break. I think the supporters should be publicly backing Rafa to send a message to H&G.
I honestly don't understand it.
If we win our game in hand we are 9 points off the leaders with a reputation for finishing seasons much stronger than we start them.
We are still in the CL with a good tradition of doing well in the competition.
We are still in the FA cup despite facing a side who are decent and were fighting for their livelihoods.
We have a massively stronger squad than we did 4 years ago.
It takes time to win build championship winning sides.
WTF is wrong with people? Why are they calling for Benitez's head?!
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Jan 7 2008, 12:50 PM
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Parry is supposedly to meet H&G this to disscuss the new stadium but Rafa's position is o on the agenda. What a meeting of minds this should be. The treatment of Rafa in the media has been nothing short of a witch hunt.You would think that we were bottom of the Prem, out of the CL and FA Cup. It is open season on managers and they get treated as criminals, joey barton has had better press than Rafa. Give the guy a break. I think the supporters should be publicly backing Rafa to send a message to H&G.
I honestly don't understand it. If we win our game in hand we are 9 points off the leaders with a reputation for finishing seasons much stronger than we start them. We are still in the CL with a good tradition of doing well in the competition. We are still in the FA cup despite facing a side who are decent and were fighting for their livelihoods. We have a massively stronger squad than we did 4 years ago. It takes time to win build championship winning sides. WTF is wrong with people? Why are they calling for Benitez's head?!
I have tried saying the same sort of thing to be shot down in flames mate , dont think your allowed to think positively about things at the moment , someone will always come up with a reason -yes we do need some improvements in personal , a bit more luck and a bit more fight and fire but im happy thinking along the same lines as yourself and stuff the doom and gloom merchants .
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Jan 7 2008, 01:13 PM
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& you still have deluded fans who think you're good enough to win the premiership. Its about expectations. Yours are high - if you were Derby fans survival would be like winning something. Yes, your still in the CL, but by the skin of your teeth & with a tough draw that sees you away at Inter in the 2nd leg, your 12 points off the top of the table - yeah 9 if & that is if, you win your game in hand, but look at the last few seasons, we couldn't close the 6 on Man u last season & they couldn't on us the season before. Citeh fading may be the only way you get a CL place for next season & at the moment they show no signs of that happening. I don't know if Benitez is the man for you or not & its obvious you feel he deserves some loyalty, but surely you can't be closed to the idea of a new manager if he can bring success in the league? Win everything or nothing, this was always going to be Jose's last season with us, it just ended a bit sooner than we all expected. Things move, its the natural way.
Who your next manager would be i don't know - you can't have Jose, he had a clause in his termination agreement forbidding it
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Jan 7 2008, 01:24 PM
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& you still have deluded fans who think you're good enough to win the premiership. Its about expectations. Yours are high - if you were Derby fans survival would be like winning something. Yes, your still in the CL, but by the skin of your teeth & with a tough draw that sees you away at Inter in the 2nd leg, your 12 points off the top of the table - yeah 9 if & that is if, you win your game in hand, but look at the last few seasons, we couldn't close the 6 on Man u last season & they couldn't on us the season before. Citeh fading may be the only way you get a CL place for next season & at the moment they show no signs of that happening. I don't know if Benitez is the man for you or not & its obvious you feel he deserves some loyalty, but surely you can't be closed to the idea of a new manager if he can bring success in the league? Win everything or nothing, this was always going to be Jose's last season with us, it just ended a bit sooner than we all expected. Things move, its the natural way. Who your next manager would be i don't know - you can't have Jose, he had a clause in his termination agreement forbidding it
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The last time we got through to the knockout stages of the CL we won it , beating some small and big teams along the way .
I think we are good enough to challenge for the title , and thats waht most fans will want - a good decent challenge , but most accept that we still need to get a few more top class players to be right up there , the season is far from over yet . Still plenty of time for many things to happen .
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Jan 7 2008, 01:33 PM
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I wasn't expecting a title win this season. Yes, I hoped and still do that we could mount a challenge, but the realist in me says it's too early.
A manager needs either time or money to build a great squad. If you look at the teams who have won the PL in recent years, they've had one or the other. You could only really argue that Benitez has had time, and given the cack he had to offload from the Houllier era, the first couple of years of his time have been spent dealing with that.
If you look at the top 3, the threat comes from a number of different places, we don't quite have that yet, due to having players who are still bedding in (Babel, Benayoun), injured (Pennant) or just not quite good enough (Kuyt, Voronin - all bought on a shoe string before the Yanks). We need to have more than just Stevie G and Torres as the main threats, but we need the Yanks to put money where their mouths are (as they promised to do) otherwise there will be revolt at the club.
Look at ManU - their Yank was poorly received and all the media coverage was about how they would have no money, but he's disappeared into the background and they regularly shell out on big money players. If ours do that, we have a good chance of threatening for the title, but otherwise Benitez will need time to bring through players who will play his way - like Valencia used to.
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Jan 7 2008, 01:38 PM
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I wasn't expecting a title win this season. Yes, I hoped and still do that we could mount a challenge, but the realist in me says it's too early.
A manager needs either time or money to build a great squad. If you look at the teams who have won the PL in recent years, they've had one or the other. You could only really argue that Benitez has had time, and given the cack he had to offload from the Houllier era, the first couple of years of his time have been spent dealing with that.
If you look at the top 3, the threat comes from a number of different places, we don't quite have that yet, due to having players who are still bedding in (Babel, Benayoun), injured (Pennant) or just not quite good enough (Kuyt, Voronin - all bought on a shoe string before the Yanks). We need to have more than just Stevie G and Torres as the main threats, but we need the Yanks to put money where their mouths are (as they promised to do) otherwise there will be revolt at the club.
Look at ManU - their Yank was poorly received and all the media coverage was about how they would have no money, but he's disappeared into the background and they regularly shell out on big money players. If ours do that, we have a good chance of threatening for the title, but otherwise Benitez will need time to bring through players who will play his way - like Valencia used to.
well said , not sure there is much more you could add to that .
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Jan 7 2008, 01:53 PM
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I wasn't expecting a title win this season. Yes, I hoped and still do that we could mount a challenge, but the realist in me says it's too early.
A manager needs either time or money to build a great squad. If you look at the teams who have won the PL in recent years, they've had one or the other. You could only really argue that Benitez has had time, and given the cack he had to offload from the Houllier era, the first couple of years of his time have been spent dealing with that.
If you look at the top 3, the threat comes from a number of different places, we don't quite have that yet, due to having players who are still bedding in (Babel, Benayoun), injured (Pennant) or just not quite good enough (Kuyt, Voronin - all bought on a shoe string before the Yanks). We need to have more than just Stevie G and Torres as the main threats, but we need the Yanks to put money where their mouths are (as they promised to do) otherwise there will be revolt at the club.
Look at ManU - their Yank was poorly received and all the media coverage was about how they would have no money, but he's disappeared into the background and they regularly shell out on big money players. If ours do that, we have a good chance of threatening for the title, but otherwise Benitez will need time to bring through players who will play his way - like Valencia used to.
The one thing i would say to that is that Man u generate huge amounts of money world wide, more than any other team. When i was in Hong Kong a few years ago, loads of the local Chinese kids were wearing Man u tops, every shop had man u stuff in it. The Glazers new they were buying into that brand. I'm not so sure Hicks & Gillett & the Liverpool brand is that strong. Add to that the fact that America is heading into a recesion with huge credit debts & i'm not so sure you'll get the money you need for the players. Its all easy for me to say, we've got a benefactor richer beyond most of our wildest dreams, but if they don't back Benitez to the tune he wants, which seems to be - if you can believe a word our press say - what is happeneing, what then??
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Jan 7 2008, 01:59 PM
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I wasn't expecting a title win this season. Yes, I hoped and still do that we could mount a challenge, but the realist in me says it's too early.
A manager needs either time or money to build a great squad. If you look at the teams who have won the PL in recent years, they've had one or the other. You could only really argue that Benitez has had time, and given the cack he had to offload from the Houllier era, the first couple of years of his time have been spent dealing with that.
If you look at the top 3, the threat comes from a number of different places, we don't quite have that yet, due to having players who are still bedding in (Babel, Benayoun), injured (Pennant) or just not quite good enough (Kuyt, Voronin - all bought on a shoe string before the Yanks). We need to have more than just Stevie G and Torres as the main threats, but we need the Yanks to put money where their mouths are (as they promised to do) otherwise there will be revolt at the club.
Look at ManU - their Yank was poorly received and all the media coverage was about how they would have no money, but he's disappeared into the background and they regularly shell out on big money players. If ours do that, we have a good chance of threatening for the title, but otherwise Benitez will need time to bring through players who will play his way - like Valencia used to.
The one thing i would say to that is that Man u generate huge amounts of money world wide, more than any other team. When i was in Hong Kong a few years ago, loads of the local Chinese kids were wearing Man u tops, every shop had man u stuff in it. The Glazers new they were buying into that brand. I'm not so sure Hicks & Gillett & the Liverpool brand is that strong. Add to that the fact that America is heading into a recesion with huge credit debts & i'm not so sure you'll get the money you need for the players. Its all easy for me to say, we've got a benefactor richer beyond most of our wildest dreams, but if they don't back Benitez to the tune he wants, which seems to be - if you can believe a word our press say - what is happeneing, what then??
if you can believe a word our press say
Not on the whole no .
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Jan 7 2008, 06:55 PM
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Parry is supposedly to meet H&G this to disscuss the new stadium but Rafa's position is o on the agenda. What a meeting of minds this should be. The treatment of Rafa in the media has been nothing short of a witch hunt.You would think that we were bottom of the Prem, out of the CL and FA Cup. It is open season on managers and they get treated as criminals, joey barton has had better press than Rafa. Give the guy a break. I think the supporters should be publicly backing Rafa to send a message to H&G.
I honestly don't understand it. If we win our game in hand we are 9 points off the leaders with a reputation for finishing seasons much stronger than we start them. We are still in the CL with a good tradition of doing well in the competition. We are still in the FA cup despite facing a side who are decent and were fighting for their livelihoods. We have a massively stronger squad than we did 4 years ago. It takes time to win build championship winning sides. WTF is wrong with people? Why are they calling for Benitez's head?!
Because we're chasing 3 teams unlikely to mess up to the extend we need to put real pressure on them? Or possibly because we're not the ones sitting 9 points clear at the top.
I have to say I am bitterly disappointed at our current position. Given the turmoil at Chelsea and the points dropped by Man Utd I don't think it unreasonable to have expected us to be third, nipping at the heels of second although possibly beating off a strong challenge from fourth. Instead we find ourselves in fifth. Bit of a let down innit?
I blame the lot of them. I blame the manager for airing the club's dirty laundry in public - NOT the Liverpool way. I blame the silence of Rick Parry and the hesitation of the owners to clarify the situation. I blame the players who seem incapable of rising above this and offering any form of competitive edge at the most critical point of our season. I don't blame rotation or team selection but I do blame formations and wierd substitutions.
I blame a lack of cohesion leading to poor communication and a breakdown in performance. I blame overplanning and underperformance. I just want to crack all their heads together and tell them to stFu and just get on with their fecking jobs. I am sick and fecking tired of the media finding us only slighly less amusing than Newcastle.
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Jan 7 2008, 07:02 PM
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Parry is supposedly to meet H&G this to disscuss the new stadium but Rafa's position is o on the agenda. What a meeting of minds this should be. The treatment of Rafa in the media has been nothing short of a witch hunt.You would think that we were bottom of the Prem, out of the CL and FA Cup. It is open season on managers and they get treated as criminals, joey barton has had better press than Rafa. Give the guy a break. I think the supporters should be publicly backing Rafa to send a message to H&G.
I honestly don't understand it. If we win our game in hand we are 9 points off the leaders with a reputation for finishing seasons much stronger than we start them. We are still in the CL with a good tradition of doing well in the competition. We are still in the FA cup despite facing a side who are decent and were fighting for their livelihoods. We have a massively stronger squad than we did 4 years ago. It takes time to win build championship winning sides. WTF is wrong with people? Why are they calling for Benitez's head?!
Because we're chasing 3 teams unlikely to mess up to the extend we need to put real pressure on them? Or possibly because we're not the ones sitting 9 points clear at the top. I have to say I am bitterly disappointed at our current position. Given the turmoil at Chelsea and the points dropped by Man Utd I don't think it unreasonable to have expected us to be third, nipping at the heels of second although possibly beating off a strong challenge from fourth. Instead we find ourselves in fifth. Bit of a let down innit? I blame the lot of them. I blame the manager for airing the club's dirty laundry in public - NOT the Liverpool way. I blame the silence of Rick Parry and the hesitation of the owners to clarify the situation. I blame the players who seem incapable of rising above this and offering any form of competitive edge at the most critical point of our season. I don't blame rotation or team selection but I do blame formations and wierd substitutions. I blame a lack of cohesion leading to poor communication and a breakdown in performance. I blame overplanning and underperformance. I just want to crack all their heads together and tell them to stFu and just get on with their fecking jobs. I am sick and fecking tired of the media finding us only slighly less amusing than Newcastle.
you say they are unlikely to mess up yet have stated they have already dropped points ?? what is to say they wont drop more and we will be closer in the next couple of months ? going by past history we are always stronger after xmas .
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Jan 7 2008, 07:11 PM
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Parry is supposedly to meet H&G this to disscuss the new stadium but Rafa's position is o on the agenda. What a meeting of minds this should be. The treatment of Rafa in the media has been nothing short of a witch hunt.You would think that we were bottom of the Prem, out of the CL and FA Cup. It is open season on managers and they get treated as criminals, joey barton has had better press than Rafa. Give the guy a break. I think the supporters should be publicly backing Rafa to send a message to H&G.
I honestly don't understand it. If we win our game in hand we are 9 points off the leaders with a reputation for finishing seasons much stronger than we start them. We are still in the CL with a good tradition of doing well in the competition. We are still in the FA cup despite facing a side who are decent and were fighting for their livelihoods. We have a massively stronger squad than we did 4 years ago. It takes time to win build championship winning sides. WTF is wrong with people? Why are they calling for Benitez's head?!
Because we're chasing 3 teams unlikely to mess up to the extend we need to put real pressure on them? Or possibly because we're not the ones sitting 9 points clear at the top. I have to say I am bitterly disappointed at our current position. Given the turmoil at Chelsea and the points dropped by Man Utd I don't think it unreasonable to have expected us to be third, nipping at the heels of second although possibly beating off a strong challenge from fourth. Instead we find ourselves in fifth. Bit of a let down innit? I blame the lot of them. I blame the manager for airing the club's dirty laundry in public - NOT the Liverpool way. I blame the silence of Rick Parry and the hesitation of the owners to clarify the situation. I blame the players who seem incapable of rising above this and offering any form of competitive edge at the most critical point of our season. I don't blame rotation or team selection but I do blame formations and wierd substitutions. I blame a lack of cohesion leading to poor communication and a breakdown in performance. I blame overplanning and underperformance. I just want to crack all their heads together and tell them to stFu and just get on with their fecking jobs. I am sick and fecking tired of the media finding us only slighly less amusing than Newcastle.
you say they are unlikely to mess up yet have stated they have already dropped points ?? what is to say they wont drop more and we will be closer in the next couple of months ? going by past history we are always stronger after xmas .
Recent history says they wont. When Bolton beat Utd it's a shock. When Reading beat us, it's depressing but hardly a real surprise.
As I have said many times to put real pressure on the big three we would have to churn out the kind of form that would be a total one eighty to the first half of the season - COMBINED with our three main rivals all turning utter pants. You might like to comfort yourself in the possibility of this happening. I prefer to take what I deem to be a more realistic viewpoint.
We had a fantastic opportunity to be closer than ever before this season and we blew it. Want proof? 2 points from 9 in our matches against the big three - at Anfield. I know our away form has been good this season but do you really expect us to turn out results at our rivals' grounds? And please - don't mention the Chelsea penalty that should not have been. Fact is we paid for not putting the game beyond them when we had the chance and that has been the hallmark of our season. Indeed it has been the hallmark of many games in the past 2 seasons where we failed to turn dominance into points.
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Jan 7 2008, 07:16 PM
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Parry is supposedly to meet H&G this to disscuss the new stadium but Rafa's position is o on the agenda. What a meeting of minds this should be. The treatment of Rafa in the media has been nothing short of a witch hunt.You would think that we were bottom of the Prem, out of the CL and FA Cup. It is open season on managers and they get treated as criminals, joey barton has had better press than Rafa. Give the guy a break. I think the supporters should be publicly backing Rafa to send a message to H&G.
I honestly don't understand it. If we win our game in hand we are 9 points off the leaders with a reputation for finishing seasons much stronger than we start them. We are still in the CL with a good tradition of doing well in the competition. We are still in the FA cup despite facing a side who are decent and were fighting for their livelihoods. We have a massively stronger squad than we did 4 years ago. It takes time to win build championship winning sides. WTF is wrong with people? Why are they calling for Benitez's head?!
Because we're chasing 3 teams unlikely to mess up to the extend we need to put real pressure on them? Or possibly because we're not the ones sitting 9 points clear at the top. I have to say I am bitterly disappointed at our current position. Given the turmoil at Chelsea and the points dropped by Man Utd I don't think it unreasonable to have expected us to be third, nipping at the heels of second although possibly beating off a strong challenge from fourth. Instead we find ourselves in fifth. Bit of a let down innit? I blame the lot of them. I blame the manager for airing the club's dirty laundry in public - NOT the Liverpool way. I blame the silence of Rick Parry and the hesitation of the owners to clarify the situation. I blame the players who seem incapable of rising above this and offering any form of competitive edge at the most critical point of our season. I don't blame rotation or team selection but I do blame formations and wierd substitutions. I blame a lack of cohesion leading to poor communication and a breakdown in performance. I blame overplanning and underperformance. I just want to crack all their heads together and tell them to stFu and just get on with their fecking jobs. I am sick and fecking tired of the media finding us only slighly less amusing than Newcastle.
you say they are unlikely to mess up yet have stated they have already dropped points ?? what is to say they wont drop more and we will be closer in the next couple of months ? going by past history we are always stronger after xmas .
Recent history says they wont. When Bolton beat Utd it's a shock. When Reading beat us, it's depressing but hardly a real surprise. As I have said many times to put real pressure on the big three we would have to churn out the kind of form that would be a total one eighty to the first half of the season - COMBINED with our three main rivals all turning utter pants. You might like to comfort yourself in the possibility of this happening. I prefer to take what I deem to be a more realistic viewpoint. We had a fantastic opportunity to be closer than ever before this season and we blew it. Want proof? 2 points from 9 in our matches against the big three - at Anfield. I know our away form has been good this season but do you really expect us to turn out results at our rivals' grounds? And please - don't mention the Chelsea penalty that should not have been. Fact is we paid for not putting the game beyond them when we had the chance and that has been the hallmark of our season. Indeed it has been the hallmark of many games in the past 2 seasons where we failed to turn dominance into points.
i prefer to remain positive as opposed to flooding the board with doom and gloom , and also keep my expectations a bit more realistic and wait till the end of the season before evalualted everything with a fine tooth comb . at the moment will just concentrate on liverpool - we have better points tally than previous seasons which in its self is improvement and hopefully by the end of the season we would of shown inprovement on last season which is what i expected us to do this year . If people expected anything else then they best prepare to be disappointed.
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Jan 7 2008, 08:02 PM
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"Parry is supposedly to meet H&G this to disscuss the new stadium but Rafa's position is o on the agenda" How did you find out what they are talking about and don't say the papers say so?
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Jan 7 2008, 08:21 PM
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The problem with the "we have more points than last season" argument is that it becomes irrelevant when the teams above us raise the bar.
It doesn't matter if we have more points than last season if Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea all do as well.
This is the thing - we started off a fair way behind the other big 3 teams in the league. Only now have we truly started to bring in a couple of genuine quality players, and all the time we're raising our game, the bar is also going up as teams like Man Utd and Chelsea who had a start on us to begin with, strengthen even further.
Arsenal are an exception for me, as they've adopted a different, long-term strategy over 10 years or however long Wenger has been in charge, we don't have the time for that now.
Until our rate of improvement gets faster than the rate at which the bar is rising, we'll struggle - which is why we need to buy big, and buy top quality, and that's why the likes of Kuyt, Kewell, Sami, Sissoko and Voronin simply won't do anymore.
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Jan 7 2008, 08:36 PM
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The problem with the "we have more points than last season" argument is that it becomes irrelevant when the teams above us raise the bar.
It doesn't matter if we have more points than last season if Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea all do as well.
This is the thing - we started off a fair way behind the other big 3 teams in the league. Only now have we truly started to bring in a couple of genuine quality players, and all the time we're raising our game, the bar is also going up as teams like Man Utd and Chelsea who had a start on us to begin with, strengthen even further.
Arsenal are an exception for me, as they've adopted a different, long-term strategy over 10 years or however long Wenger has been in charge, we don't have the time for that now.
Until our rate of improvement gets faster than the rate at which the bar is rising, we'll struggle - which is why we need to buy big, and buy top quality, and that's why the likes of Kuyt, Kewell, Sami, Sissoko and Voronin simply won't do anymore.
yet arsenal,chelsea and man utd allhave averag players in their sqaud ,getting rid of all those and replacing them willmean a whole new line up guarentee immediate success - prefer rafa does it a bit more smoothly .
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Jan 7 2008, 08:41 PM
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- The Nutmeg King
- Jan 7 2008, 09:21 PM
The problem with the "we have more points than last season" argument is that it becomes irrelevant when the teams above us raise the bar.
It doesn't matter if we have more points than last season if Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea all do as well.
This is the thing - we started off a fair way behind the other big 3 teams in the league. Only now have we truly started to bring in a couple of genuine quality players, and all the time we're raising our game, the bar is also going up as teams like Man Utd and Chelsea who had a start on us to begin with, strengthen even further.
Arsenal are an exception for me, as they've adopted a different, long-term strategy over 10 years or however long Wenger has been in charge, we don't have the time for that now.
Until our rate of improvement gets faster than the rate at which the bar is rising, we'll struggle - which is why we need to buy big, and buy top quality, and that's why the likes of Kuyt, Kewell, Sami, Sissoko and Voronin simply won't do anymore.
Agreed.
You only have to compare Torres to our other strikers to understand the sheer gulf between where we are and where we want to be. The only striker we have who seems capable of raising his game is Crouch but even then he comes in a very poor second to Torres. Kuyt's performances all seem to blur into one with very little standing out. Makes a great contributions but goals would help.
Same thing goes for our wingers. I'm a supporter of Pennant but there's only so far you can excuse crosses no one gets on the end of, or beating your man only to let him catch up so you can beat him again. He simply must take this latest opportunity and start giving us more. I would also say Riise and Finnan have question marks hanging over their heads now.
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Jan 7 2008, 08:43 PM
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- El Nino
- Jan 7 2008, 09:36 PM
- The Nutmeg King
- Jan 7 2008, 08:21 PM
The problem with the "we have more points than last season" argument is that it becomes irrelevant when the teams above us raise the bar.
It doesn't matter if we have more points than last season if Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea all do as well.
This is the thing - we started off a fair way behind the other big 3 teams in the league. Only now have we truly started to bring in a couple of genuine quality players, and all the time we're raising our game, the bar is also going up as teams like Man Utd and Chelsea who had a start on us to begin with, strengthen even further.
Arsenal are an exception for me, as they've adopted a different, long-term strategy over 10 years or however long Wenger has been in charge, we don't have the time for that now.
Until our rate of improvement gets faster than the rate at which the bar is rising, we'll struggle - which is why we need to buy big, and buy top quality, and that's why the likes of Kuyt, Kewell, Sami, Sissoko and Voronin simply won't do anymore.
yet arsenal,chelsea and man utd allhave averag players in their sqaud ,getting rid of all those and replacing them willmean a whole new line up guarentee immediate success - prefer rafa does it a bit more smoothly .
The point is that with players of the calibre of those I listed, we won't close the gap.
We have ground to make up and twatting about wasting time with dross like that will ensure we stay out of contention. How many more years are you prepared to wait? Because I'm sick of waiting and it being our year next year... next year... next year...
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Jan 7 2008, 08:47 PM
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- The Nutmeg King
- Jan 7 2008, 08:43 PM
- El Nino
- Jan 7 2008, 09:36 PM
- The Nutmeg King
- Jan 7 2008, 08:21 PM
The problem with the "we have more points than last season" argument is that it becomes irrelevant when the teams above us raise the bar.
It doesn't matter if we have more points than last season if Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea all do as well.
This is the thing - we started off a fair way behind the other big 3 teams in the league. Only now have we truly started to bring in a couple of genuine quality players, and all the time we're raising our game, the bar is also going up as teams like Man Utd and Chelsea who had a start on us to begin with, strengthen even further.
Arsenal are an exception for me, as they've adopted a different, long-term strategy over 10 years or however long Wenger has been in charge, we don't have the time for that now.
Until our rate of improvement gets faster than the rate at which the bar is rising, we'll struggle - which is why we need to buy big, and buy top quality, and that's why the likes of Kuyt, Kewell, Sami, Sissoko and Voronin simply won't do anymore.
yet arsenal,chelsea and man utd allhave averag players in their sqaud ,getting rid of all those and replacing them willmean a whole new line up guarentee immediate success - prefer rafa does it a bit more smoothly .
The point is that with players of the calibre of those I listed, we won't close the gap. We have ground to make up and twatting about wasting time with dross like that will ensure we stay out of contention. How many more years are you prepared to wait? Because I'm sick of waiting and it being our year next year... next year... next year...
and thats your opinion . Apart from momo and voronin i think the others can still do a job for liverpool for this season and maybe even next season . i have waited long enough and will continue to wait , my supporting the club isnt timescale dependant on when they will win the title etc , would still be positive and support them no matter what wether they be in the conference or winning the title year in year out , that wont change .
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The Nutmeg King
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Jan 7 2008, 08:54 PM
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- El Nino
- Jan 7 2008, 09:47 PM
- The Nutmeg King
- Jan 7 2008, 08:43 PM
- El Nino
- Jan 7 2008, 09:36 PM
- The Nutmeg King
- Jan 7 2008, 08:21 PM
The problem with the "we have more points than last season" argument is that it becomes irrelevant when the teams above us raise the bar.
It doesn't matter if we have more points than last season if Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea all do as well.
This is the thing - we started off a fair way behind the other big 3 teams in the league. Only now have we truly started to bring in a couple of genuine quality players, and all the time we're raising our game, the bar is also going up as teams like Man Utd and Chelsea who had a start on us to begin with, strengthen even further.
Arsenal are an exception for me, as they've adopted a different, long-term strategy over 10 years or however long Wenger has been in charge, we don't have the time for that now.
Until our rate of improvement gets faster than the rate at which the bar is rising, we'll struggle - which is why we need to buy big, and buy top quality, and that's why the likes of Kuyt, Kewell, Sami, Sissoko and Voronin simply won't do anymore.
yet arsenal,chelsea and man utd allhave averag players in their sqaud ,getting rid of all those and replacing them willmean a whole new line up guarentee immediate success - prefer rafa does it a bit more smoothly .
The point is that with players of the calibre of those I listed, we won't close the gap. We have ground to make up and twatting about wasting time with dross like that will ensure we stay out of contention. How many more years are you prepared to wait? Because I'm sick of waiting and it being our year next year... next year... next year...
and thats your opinion . Apart from momo and voronin i think the others can still do a job for liverpool for this season and maybe even next season . i have waited long enough and will continue to wait , my supporting the club isnt timescale dependant on when they will win the title etc , would still be positive and support them no matter what wether they be in the conference or winning the title year in year out , that wont change .
Good for you, whereas I'll be off supporting Arsenal in May...
:doh: :rolleyes:
Well we're 12 points off the pace in January, it's not looking like those players will bridge the gap so my opinion looks pretty well backed up right now. Not negativity, it's realism based on what I've been watching this season.
There are numerous other fans on this site who think the same thing. No blind optimism for them either - realism.
Combine that with the fact that those players have shown time and again in recent games that they're not up to it and it's quite clear they're not good enough to anyone who has any clue what a good footballer looks like.
I wonder how many of the Arsenal, Man Utd and Chelsea fans would take any of those players?
Don't worry, I'll have the answer already: not one.
Why not? Because... wait for it..... they're not good enough.
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