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Topic Started: Jan 15 2008, 06:16 PM (1,212 Views)
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Berethorn
Jan 15 2008, 11:26 PM
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Jan 15 2008, 11:16 PM
El Nino
Jan 15 2008, 08:39 PM
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Jan 15 2008, 07:17 PM
El Nino
Jan 15 2008, 07:56 PM
how many years of being ordinary have the bluenoses had to deal with ? Ten years ? Twenty years ? When was the last time silverware arrived at woodison ? We are playing very poor at the moment yet still about the blueshite lol

Ooooh hark at her

Not going to deny that we have had years of being ordinary, but then we haven't been throwing cash around like nobodies business...

Credit where credit is due, your record in the Champions League can't be argued with, but when was the last time you were serious title contenders? Given the amount of money spent would you not have expected more?

an average outlay minus sales off 20 mil a year over 4 years with rafa . And think compared to the spending off other clubs we are in the right position . Both man utd and chelsea spent more over that period so hence above us . When we spend as much as them maybe we might be up with them or even above them. Who knows .

Even after transfers out your spending still comes t something like + £40mill over the last 3 - 4 years.. Pretty sure that's more than Utd, definitely more than Arsenal.. So surely when your sending that amount of money you would expect to be fighting for the title rather than battling for 3rd/4th each season??

I know I would be...

If you want to put it in to perspective, Liverpool spent around £27mill on Torres..

For the same amount of money Everton have bought: Arteta, Cahill, Johnson, Yakubu, Stubbs and potentially Pienaar

Where are you getting your figures from? The Daily Mirror? :lmao:

Everyone knows Torres was bought at £18 - £20m. The £27m you just quoted was only his buy out clause.

As for the rest, well Rafa has had a total spend, not including outgoings, of about £140m over the past 3 and a bit seasons. Roughly averages out at about £35m each season. Utd paid £27m for Rooney, and £36m for Carrick and Hargreaves combined. Chelsea paid £54m for a pair of benchwarmers in SWP and Sheva.

Then you have to consider money recouped from sales. Rafa made big losses on the players Houllier brought in, but the players Rafa brought in and sold on were usually for break even prices.

I honestly don't know where you think we spent more than Utd over the past four seasons? Certainly not net spends? Who have Utd sold recently to offset their outlay?

So my figures are out... But you are still avoiding the original question..
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Jan 15 2008, 10:26 PM


I honestly don't know where you think we spent more than Utd over the past four seasons? Certainly not net spends? Who have Utd sold recently to offset their outlay?

Out
Smith 6mil
Richardson 5mil
Heinze 7mil
Rossi 7mil
Obi Mikel 12 mil
Spector 1.5 mil
Bellion 1mil
van Nistelrooy 10.2mil

In
Carrick 16.8mil
Nani 7mil Could increase based on appearances, trophies won etc
Anderson 7mil Could increase based on appearances, trophies won etc
Hargreves 17mil
Tevez 5mil reported as the cost for the Loan and first refusal


I know not all the figures are exact but close enough to 50mil on players sold and players bought (or loaned)



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Stam
Jan 15 2008, 09:42 PM
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Jan 15 2008, 06:56 PM
how many years of being ordinary have the bluenoses had to deal with ? Ten years ? Twenty years ? When was the last time silverware arrived at woodison ? We are playing very poor at the moment yet still about the blueshite lol

:rules:

You dont like it when its aimed at you mate so dont throw it at others

throwing what ??? :shrug:

if you mean the blueshite remark that has been banter on merseyside for many years just like them calling us redshite , like csg asked is it ok for him to call me redshite and of course it is , its banter .
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Jan 15 2008, 10:16 PM
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Jan 15 2008, 08:39 PM
Jannerblue
Jan 15 2008, 07:17 PM
El Nino
Jan 15 2008, 07:56 PM
how many years of being ordinary have the bluenoses had to deal with ? Ten years ? Twenty years ? When was the last time silverware arrived at woodison ? We are playing very poor at the moment yet still about the blueshite lol

Ooooh hark at her

Not going to deny that we have had years of being ordinary, but then we haven't been throwing cash around like nobodies business...

Credit where credit is due, your record in the Champions League can't be argued with, but when was the last time you were serious title contenders? Given the amount of money spent would you not have expected more?

an average outlay minus sales off 20 mil a year over 4 years with rafa . And think compared to the spending off other clubs we are in the right position . Both man utd and chelsea spent more over that period so hence above us . When we spend as much as them maybe we might be up with them or even above them. Who knows .

Even after transfers out your spending still comes t something like + £40mill over the last 3 - 4 years.. Pretty sure that's more than Utd, definitely more than Arsenal.. So surely when your sending that amount of money you would expect to be fighting for the title rather than battling for 3rd/4th each season??

I know I would be...

If you want to put it in to perspective, Liverpool spent around £27mill on Torres..

For the same amount of money Everton have bought: Arteta, Cahill, Johnson, Yakubu, Stubbs and potentially Pienaar

and im sure they do a great job for you but wouldnt swap any of them for any off our players - maybe have arteta as a back up player but thats about it really . and fee for torres was around 20 mil mate
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In: Owen Hargreaves (Bayern Munich, £17m), Nani (Sporting, £14m), Anderson (Porto, £17m), Tomasz Kuszczak (West Brom, 2m), Carlos Tevez (unattached, loan).
Out: Tim Howard (Everton, £3m), Kieran Richardson (Sunderland, 5m), Phil Marsh, Floribert Ngalula, Daniel Rose (released), Giuseppe Rossi (Villareal, £6.7m), Alan Smith (Newcastle United, £6m), Ryan Shawcross (Stoke, loan till Jan 08), Ritchie Jones (Yeovil, loan), Gabriel Heinze (Real Madrid, 8m), Craig Cathcart (Antwerp, loan till Jan 08).



In £28.7 Million

Out £50 Million

spent £21.3Million plus Tevez(about £20 million)

still a lot of wonga :shock:
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Nani and Anderson was 7m up front each
Kuszczak involved a swap including Paul McShane
Tevez still has 1 1/2 years left on his loan so 20m cant be put into spending
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El Nino
Jan 15 2008, 11:44 PM
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Jan 15 2008, 10:16 PM
El Nino
Jan 15 2008, 08:39 PM
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Jan 15 2008, 07:17 PM
El Nino
Jan 15 2008, 07:56 PM
how many years of being ordinary have the bluenoses had to deal with ? Ten years ? Twenty years ? When was the last time silverware arrived at woodison ? We are playing very poor at the moment yet still about the blueshite lol

Ooooh hark at her

Not going to deny that we have had years of being ordinary, but then we haven't been throwing cash around like nobodies business...

Credit where credit is due, your record in the Champions League can't be argued with, but when was the last time you were serious title contenders? Given the amount of money spent would you not have expected more?

an average outlay minus sales off 20 mil a year over 4 years with rafa . And think compared to the spending off other clubs we are in the right position . Both man utd and chelsea spent more over that period so hence above us . When we spend as much as them maybe we might be up with them or even above them. Who knows .

Even after transfers out your spending still comes t something like + £40mill over the last 3 - 4 years.. Pretty sure that's more than Utd, definitely more than Arsenal.. So surely when your sending that amount of money you would expect to be fighting for the title rather than battling for 3rd/4th each season??

I know I would be...

If you want to put it in to perspective, Liverpool spent around £27mill on Torres..

For the same amount of money Everton have bought: Arteta, Cahill, Johnson, Yakubu, Stubbs and potentially Pienaar

and im sure they do a great job for you but wouldnt swap any of them for any off our players - maybe have arteta as a back up player but thats about it really . and fee for torres was around 20 mil mate

Well, to be fair i'd swap Sissoko for Arteta/Cahill in a heartbeat, Pienaar looks a decent little player who i'd have over Kewell and Pennant, and definatly have Johnson and Yak over Voronin, even Kuyt :chin:

You can't class Tevez as a signing surely? if you did then Mascherano is one of yours, Tevez won't be payed until '09 if what we hear is true :ale:
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Jan 16 2008, 12:44 AM
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Jan 15 2008, 10:16 PM
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Jan 15 2008, 07:17 PM
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Jan 15 2008, 07:56 PM
how many years of being ordinary have the bluenoses had to deal with ? Ten years ? Twenty years ? When was the last time silverware arrived at woodison ? We are playing very poor at the moment yet still about the blueshite lol

Ooooh hark at her

Not going to deny that we have had years of being ordinary, but then we haven't been throwing cash around like nobodies business...

Credit where credit is due, your record in the Champions League can't be argued with, but when was the last time you were serious title contenders? Given the amount of money spent would you not have expected more?

an average outlay minus sales off 20 mil a year over 4 years with rafa . And think compared to the spending off other clubs we are in the right position . Both man utd and chelsea spent more over that period so hence above us . When we spend as much as them maybe we might be up with them or even above them. Who knows .

Even after transfers out your spending still comes t something like + £40mill over the last 3 - 4 years.. Pretty sure that's more than Utd, definitely more than Arsenal.. So surely when your sending that amount of money you would expect to be fighting for the title rather than battling for 3rd/4th each season??

I know I would be...

If you want to put it in to perspective, Liverpool spent around £27mill on Torres..

For the same amount of money Everton have bought: Arteta, Cahill, Johnson, Yakubu, Stubbs and potentially Pienaar

and im sure they do a great job for you but wouldnt swap any of them for any off our players - maybe have arteta as a back up player but thats about it really . and fee for torres was around 20 mil mate

Your joking, right?

You would have Arteta as a back up, for who?? Pennant?!?!

What natural wide players have you got who are better than Arteta?

Also Cahill, one of the best scoring midfielders in the league, would be a massive asset to any club..

Yakubu.. Nooo, why would you want a 20+ a season striker..

AJ, maybe doesn't score as many as he should but his work rate is 2nd to none..

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El Nino
Jan 15 2008, 11:34 PM
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Jan 15 2008, 09:42 PM
El Nino
Jan 15 2008, 06:56 PM
how many years of being ordinary have the bluenoses had to deal with ? Ten years ? Twenty years ? When was the last time silverware arrived at woodison ? We are playing very poor at the moment yet still about the blueshite lol

:rules:

You dont like it when its aimed at you mate so dont throw it at others

throwing what ??? :shrug:

if you mean the blueshite remark that has been banter on merseyside for many years just like them calling us redshite , like csg asked is it ok for him to call me redshite and of course it is , its banter .

It's not the blueshite remark that's the problem, it's the whole reply. What's the problem with taking a question from a rival fan as it is? Instead of getting ultra defensive and throwing back similar questions in a wum type style (imo you've obviously taken the original question as a wum like remark). Banter it maybe but discussion it ain't and that's what this place is missing a lot of the time.

Useless trivia: I was going to use the term Wummery in that reply but eventually it got edited out.

Note Useless trivia feature added just so the term Wummery did feature in my post. :lol:
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AJ, maybe doesn't score as many as he should but his work rate is 2nd to none..

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we have kuyt for that role :whistle:
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Jan 16 2008, 01:45 AM
AJ, maybe doesn't score as many as he should but his work rate is 2nd to none..

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we have kuyt for that role :whistle:

I'd rather Kuyt scored more and didn't work so hard. But you have to look at the positive things in life some times.
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Jan 16 2008, 12:55 AM
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El Nino
Jan 15 2008, 06:56 PM
how many years of being ordinary have the bluenoses had to deal with ? Ten years ? Twenty years ? When was the last time silverware arrived at woodison ? We are playing very poor at the moment yet still about the blueshite lol

:rules:

You dont like it when its aimed at you mate so dont throw it at others

throwing what ??? :shrug:

if you mean the blueshite remark that has been banter on merseyside for many years just like them calling us redshite , like csg asked is it ok for him to call me redshite and of course it is , its banter .

It's not the blueshite remark that's the problem, it's the whole reply. What's the problem with taking a question from a rival fan as it is? Instead of getting ultra defensive and throwing back similar questions in a wum type style (imo you've obviously taken the original question as a wum like remark). Banter it maybe but discussion it ain't and that's what this place is missing a lot of the time.

Useless trivia: I was going to use the term Wummery in that reply but eventually it got edited out.

Note Useless trivia feature added just so the term Wummery did feature in my post. :lol:

I would of used smileys to make it more light hearted in the manner the reply was intended to be but was on my mobile and hard to use smileys , wasnt intending of being ultra offensive etc .
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Jan 16 2008, 12:43 AM
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El Nino
Jan 15 2008, 07:56 PM
how many years of being ordinary have the bluenoses had to deal with ? Ten years ? Twenty years ? When was the last time silverware arrived at woodison ? We are playing very poor at the moment yet still about the blueshite lol

Ooooh hark at her

Not going to deny that we have had years of being ordinary, but then we haven't been throwing cash around like nobodies business...

Credit where credit is due, your record in the Champions League can't be argued with, but when was the last time you were serious title contenders? Given the amount of money spent would you not have expected more?

an average outlay minus sales off 20 mil a year over 4 years with rafa . And think compared to the spending off other clubs we are in the right position . Both man utd and chelsea spent more over that period so hence above us . When we spend as much as them maybe we might be up with them or even above them. Who knows .

Even after transfers out your spending still comes t something like + £40mill over the last 3 - 4 years.. Pretty sure that's more than Utd, definitely more than Arsenal.. So surely when your sending that amount of money you would expect to be fighting for the title rather than battling for 3rd/4th each season??

I know I would be...

If you want to put it in to perspective, Liverpool spent around £27mill on Torres..

For the same amount of money Everton have bought: Arteta, Cahill, Johnson, Yakubu, Stubbs and potentially Pienaar

and im sure they do a great job for you but wouldnt swap any of them for any off our players - maybe have arteta as a back up player but thats about it really . and fee for torres was around 20 mil mate

Your joking, right?

You would have Arteta as a back up, for who?? Pennant?!?!

What natural wide players have you got who are better than Arteta?

Also Cahill, one of the best scoring midfielders in the league, would be a massive asset to any club..

Yakubu.. Nooo, why would you want a 20+ a season striker..

AJ, maybe doesn't score as many as he should but his work rate is 2nd to none..

No im not joking at all , cahill instead off gerrard ( are goalscoring midfielder ) no thanks

AJ workrate = kuyt plus kuyt scores more

Yakubu= torres , no contest there really

Like i said i would take arteta as a squad player , pennant provides more natural width , yeah he maybe not a creative as arteta so would have arteta as a squad player .

Maybe the only player would take for a starting place for liverpool would be Lescott as a left back. :redscarf:
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Also how many of the other teams would do well if you took their best players away from them ?

How would man utd be without Ronaldo or Rio or Rooney say ?
Chelsea without Drogba Lampard Terry (even thou fair play to them they seem to be doing well but now they will be without essien,mikel and kalou )
Arsenal without Fabregas and Adebayor ?

Would be the same as us loosing Carra , Reina , Torres and Gerrard . I know the last two get mentioned the most but the first two are just as important .

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Just for the record im in no way trying to wind up janner or have a go at him etc . :cheers:
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Jan 16 2008, 11:11 AM
very poor attempt at a wind up

seen the same post a couple of times

not sure why the finger was pointed a g

0/10 for the bitter

Read through the thread, you will quickly see that it isn't an attempted wind up.... Fool
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It is good to see a bluenose here as well , should be funny come derby day :stress: :hide:
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Jan 15 2008, 07:56 PM
how many years of being ordinary have the bluenoses had to deal with ? Ten years ? Twenty years ? When was the last time silverware arrived at woodison ? We are playing very poor at the moment yet still about the blueshite lol

Ooooh hark at her

Not going to deny that we have had years of being ordinary, but then we haven't been throwing cash around like nobodies business...

Credit where credit is due, your record in the Champions League can't be argued with, but when was the last time you were serious title contenders? Given the amount of money spent would you not have expected more?

an average outlay minus sales off 20 mil a year over 4 years with rafa . And think compared to the spending off other clubs we are in the right position . Both man utd and chelsea spent more over that period so hence above us . When we spend as much as them maybe we might be up with them or even above them. Who knows .

Even after transfers out your spending still comes t something like + £40mill over the last 3 - 4 years.. Pretty sure that's more than Utd, definitely more than Arsenal.. So surely when your sending that amount of money you would expect to be fighting for the title rather than battling for 3rd/4th each season??

I know I would be...

If you want to put it in to perspective, Liverpool spent around £27mill on Torres..

For the same amount of money Everton have bought: Arteta, Cahill, Johnson, Yakubu, Stubbs and potentially Pienaar

and im sure they do a great job for you but wouldnt swap any of them for any off our players - maybe have arteta as a back up player but thats about it really . and fee for torres was around 20 mil mate

Your joking, right?

You would have Arteta as a back up, for who?? Pennant?!?!

What natural wide players have you got who are better than Arteta?

Also Cahill, one of the best scoring midfielders in the league, would be a massive asset to any club..

Yakubu.. Nooo, why would you want a 20+ a season striker..

AJ, maybe doesn't score as many as he should but his work rate is 2nd to none..

No im not joking at all , cahill instead off gerrard ( are goalscoring midfielder ) no thanks

AJ workrate = kuyt plus kuyt scores more

Yakubu= torres , no contest there really

Like i said i would take arteta as a squad player , pennant provides more natural width , yeah he maybe not a creative as arteta so would have arteta as a squad player .

Maybe the only player would take for a starting place for liverpool would be Lescott as a left back. :redscarf:

Fella!! Have I just read it right? Did you just try to tell me that Pennant is a better player than Arteta?!?! :lmao:

I didn't say Cahill would replace Gerrard, just that he would be an asset to all clubs..

Yakubu.. You only need one 20+ goal scorer?

All clubs would suffer if they were missing a couple of top players, not saying it's just Liverpool who would...
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It is good to see a bluenose here as well , should be funny come derby day :stress: :hide:

You won't like me derby day :lmao:

Still only just getting over the Clattenburg show!!!
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